The email saga continues
Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?” at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza... Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv... On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote:
Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?”
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza...
Cheers
Brian Randell
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If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism—even a high school student wouldn’t cite them in a paper. Let it go… Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv... On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?” at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza... Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism—even a high school student wouldn’t cite them in a paper. Let it go… Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv... On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?” at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza... Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Let it go…
One often hears calls for professionals/scientists/technologists/etc. to engage the public in scientific and technical conversations. If answers to these calls are to be regarded as being anything more than lightly disguised pleas for a bigger helping of government guano, then it seems to me that said professionals/scientists/technologists/etc. have to engage the public in less self-serving situations; for example, when it is being herded down a dark alley. IMHO, as always. Cheers, Scott
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business. Tom -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper. Let it go. Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?" at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute: I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around… P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper.
Let it go.
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?"
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml
Cheers
Brian Randell
School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
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We need a secret cabal handshake. I suggest the SSL protocol. Janet On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:45 32PM, Paul N. Edwards wrote:
As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute:
I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around…
P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper.
Let it go.
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?"
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml
Cheers
Brian Randell
School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
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Paul N. Edwards Professor of Information and History, University of Michigan A Vast Machine: Computer Models, Climate Data, and the Politics of Global Warming (MIT Press, 2010)
Terse replies are deliberate (and better than nothing)
University of Michigan School of Information 3439 North Quad 105 S. State Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1285 (734) 764-2617 (office) (206) 337-1523 (fax) pne.people.si.umich.edu
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And a theme song? ***************************** Julie Cohn, Ph.D. Research Historian Center for Public History University of Houston 315 McElhinney Hall Houston, TX 77204-3007 cohnconnor@comcast.net On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Janet Abbate wrote:
We need a secret cabal handshake. I suggest the SSL protocol.
Janet
On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:45 32PM, Paul N. Edwards wrote:
As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute:
I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around…
P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper.
Let it go.
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?"
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml
Cheers
Brian Randell
School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
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___________________________
Paul N. Edwards Professor of Information and History, University of Michigan A Vast Machine: Computer Models, Climate Data, and the Politics of Global Warming (MIT Press, 2010)
Terse replies are deliberate (and better than nothing)
University of Michigan School of Information 3439 North Quad 105 S. State Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1285 (734) 764-2617 (office) (206) 337-1523 (fax) pne.people.si.umich.edu
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The first rule of Mail Cabal is: you do not talk about Mail Cabal. The second rule of Mail Cabal is: you DO NOT talk about Mail Cabal! - with apologies to Chuck Palahniuk Best, Marc p.s. I hope we can agree on the secret official movie – "You've Got Mail." Marc Weber | marc@webhistory.org | +1 415 282 6868 Internet History Program Founder and Curator, Computer History Museum 1401 N Shoreline Blvd., Mountain View CA 94043 computerhistory.org/nethistory Co-founder, Web History Center and Project, webhistory.org On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Julie Cohn wrote:
And a theme song?
***************************** Julie Cohn, Ph.D. Research Historian Center for Public History University of Houston 315 McElhinney Hall Houston, TX 77204-3007 cohnconnor@comcast.net
On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Janet Abbate wrote:
We need a secret cabal handshake. I suggest the SSL protocol.
Janet
On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:45 32PM, Paul N. Edwards wrote:
As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute:
I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around…
P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper.
Let it go.
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?"
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml
Cheers
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I thought we're supposed to have tattoos of the "@" sign on our chests. Also: LA Times covered the saga: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-a-discredited-old-yarn-2014... On 09/04/2014 06:38 PM, Marc Weber wrote:
The first rule of Mail Cabal is: you do not talk about Mail Cabal. The second rule of Mail Cabal is: you DO NOT talk about Mail Cabal! - with apologies to Chuck Palahniuk Best, Marc p.s. I hope we can agree on the secret official movie – "You've Got Mail."
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On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Julie Cohn wrote:
And a theme song?
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On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Janet Abbate wrote:
We need a secret cabal handshake. I suggest the SSL protocol.
Janet
On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:45 32PM, Paul N. Edwards wrote:
As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute:
I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around…
P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org <mailto:thaigh@computer.org>> wrote:
Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business.
Tom
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org <mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
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If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper.
Let it go.
Dag
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On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net <mailto:evan@snarc.net><mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?"
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml
Cheers
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Here's the theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RUjnqH3kMw Paul ________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Marc Weber [marc@webhistory.org] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 6:38 PM To: Julie Cohn Cc: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues The first rule of Mail Cabal is: you do not talk about Mail Cabal. The second rule of Mail Cabal is: you DO NOT talk about Mail Cabal! - with apologies to Chuck Palahniuk Best, Marc p.s. I hope we can agree on the secret official movie – "You've Got Mail." Marc Weber<http://www.computerhistory.org/staff/Marc,Weber/> | marc@webhistory.org<mailto:marc@webhistory.org> | +1 415 282 6868 Internet History Program Founder and Curator, Computer History Museum 1401 N Shoreline Blvd., Mountain View CA 94043 computerhistory.org/nethistory<http://computerhistory.org/nethistory> Co-founder, Web History Center and Project, webhistory.org<http://webhistory.org> On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Julie Cohn wrote: And a theme song? ***************************** Julie Cohn, Ph.D. Research Historian Center for Public History University of Houston 315 McElhinney Hall Houston, TX 77204-3007 cohnconnor@comcast.net<mailto:cohnconnor@comcast.net> On Sep 4, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Janet Abbate wrote: We need a secret cabal handshake. I suggest the SSL protocol. Janet On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:45 32PM, Paul N. Edwards wrote: As the silliness level mounts, let me contribute: I suggest we drive around in cabal cars and lay an undersea cabal for our secret messages. Or we could just kick cabal around… P On Sep 3, 2014, at 13:04 , Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org<mailto:thaigh@computer.org>> wrote: Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business. Tom -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org>] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org<mailto:dspicer@computerhistory.org>] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper. Let it go. Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net><mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?" at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org<mailto:members@sigcis.org>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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t-shirts. Do we get t-shirts? That would make the cabal official. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Haigh Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 1:43 PM To: 'McMillan, William W'; 'members' Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business. Tom -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper. Let it go. Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?" at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
How about just selling t-shirts that say “I invented e-mail.” Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Coopersmith, Jonathan <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu<mailto:j-coopersmith@tamu.edu>> wrote: t-shirts. Do we get t-shirts? That would make the cabal official. Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Haigh Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 1:43 PM To: 'McMillan, William W'; 'members' Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Hmm. A cabal obviously would focus on secret conspiracy, which is always hard to pull off on an open and publically archived email list. But if we threw in some exotic rituals and perhaps a little human sacrifice then we might still make the grade. I guess we could take some of the billions BBN is allegedly making by distorting email history and use it to rent a rather nice subterranean lair and a set of exotic dark costumes to wear while conducting official cabal business. Tom -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of McMillan, William W Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 11:48 AM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org>] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org<mailto:dspicer@computerhistory.org>] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism-even a high school student wouldn't cite them in a paper. Let it go. Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net><mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv e-myths-about-email_b_5756340.html On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?" at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza rre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented -email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Here’s a brilliant analysis, in graphical form, of the “Science News Cycle,” some of which may be in effect here. See: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97231643/science_news_cycle.jpg Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:47 AM, McMillan, William W <william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu<mailto:william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu>> wrote: Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "! I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish. ... if we know what that would be. Bill ________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org> [members-bounces@sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org>] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org<mailto:dspicer@computerhistory.org>] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you. Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism—even a high school student wouldn’t cite them in a paper. Let it go… Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto:evan@snarc.net><mailto:evan@snarc.net>> wrote: HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv... On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi: Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?” at: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza... Cheers Brian Randell School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Well, since this about a supposed "Internet cabal" - break out the skinny neckties! On Sep 3, 2014 9:56 AM, "McMillan, William W" <william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu> wrote:
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
________________________________________ From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [members-bounces@sigcis.org] on behalf of Dag Spicer [dspicer@computerhistory.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 12:30 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] The email saga continues
If you were to start critiquing items appearing in the HuffPo, you would have a lifetime of work ahead of you.
Fortunately for us, their very name reeks of triviality and marginal journalism—even a high school student wouldn’t cite them in a paper.
Let it go…
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto: evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv...
On 09/03/2014 11:50 AM, Brian Randell wrote: Hi:
Techdirt has an article "Why Is Huffington Post Running A Multi-Part Series To Promote The Lies Of A Guy Who Pretended To Invent Email?”
at:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-biza...
Cheers
Brian Randell
School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
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Following up on this point, if we are now part of a global cabal, does that mean Raytheon is footing the bill for this year's SIGCIS workshop? Because nothing says shadowy international conspiracy like Dearborn, Michigan. --AMM On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, McMillan, William W < william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu> wrote:
Let it go, Dag? Are you kidding? I might be, at best, an amateur historian, but I do so hope I'm a genuine member of the " Internet cabal of SIGCIS 'historians' "!
I've never been in a cabal before, but I doubt cabal members let things go. We must do something cabal-ish.
... if we know what that would be.
Bill
On Sep 3, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net<mailto: evan@snarc.net>> wrote:
HuffPo is now claiming that everyone else -- they even mention SIGCIS -- are the ones with the agenda and conspiracy!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-j-nightingale/the-history-of-email-fiv...
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