[SIGCIS-Members] Google's poor stewardship of the USENET archive
lowood at stanford.edu
Thu Feb 26 15:54:29 PST 2015
I agree with your approach, but I also would add two comments in support
of there being a problem.
1. Daniel Rehn knows this stuff inside-and-out. It is safe to rely on
what he says, assuming the quotations are accurate.
2. The loss of Advanced Search of Google Groups was a big deal; I found
that after it disappeared it became MUCH more difficult to do anything
useful with historical USENET posts. It is a source I used quite a bit,
before the change.
If we pursue the "query Google quietly" approach, I would be happy to be
one of the SHOT members.
On 2/26/2015 11:44 AM, jcortada University of Minnesota wrote:
> I strongly disagree with you, Al. That is definitely NOT the way to
> deal with this problem. First, you have no idea why there is a
> problem, what Google's intentions are, based on the article you are
> circulating. Second, Google executives have been supportive of the
> work and institutions relevant to the preservation of computing's
> history. I have personal, first hand knowledge of that. So why
> irritate the firm that is on your side?
> If you are concerned, first we would need to validate what the article
> says, second we should query Google quietly about the matter to see if
> in fact they are evil to us, or, as I suspect is more the case, other
> issues have impinged on access that we are not aware of. Google
> decisions makers saying grace over the site might not even be aware of
> the discomfort they are creating for historians and therefore might be
> willing to help us out. Perhaps a couple of representatives of SHOT
> or SIGCIS should reach out to Google in a calm, collected manner?
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org
> <mailto:aek at bitsavers.org>> wrote:
> Time to complain LOUDLY to Google about this!
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