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Jim, <br>
I agree with your approach, but I also would add two comments in
support of there being a problem.<br>
1. Daniel Rehn knows this stuff inside-and-out. It is safe to rely
on what he says, assuming the quotations are accurate.<br>
2. The loss of Advanced Search of Google Groups was a big deal; I
found that after it disappeared it became MUCH more difficult to do
anything useful with historical USENET posts. It is a source I used
quite a bit, before the change.<br>
If we pursue the "query Google quietly" approach, I would be happy
to be one of the SHOT members.<br>
Henry<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/2015 11:44 AM, jcortada
University of Minnesota wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I strongly disagree with you, Al. That is
definitely NOT the way to deal with this problem. First, you
have no idea why there is a problem, what Google's intentions
are, based on the article you are circulating. Second, Google
executives have been supportive of the work and institutions
relevant to the preservation of computing's history. I have
personal, first hand knowledge of that. So why irritate the
firm that is on your side?
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<div>If you are concerned, first we would need to validate what
the article says, second we should query Google quietly about
the matter to see if in fact they are evil to us, or, as I
suspect is more the case, other issues have impinged on access
that we are not aware of. Google decisions makers saying
grace over the site might not even be aware of the discomfort
they are creating for historians and therefore might be
willing to help us out. Perhaps a couple of representatives
of SHOT or SIGCIS should reach out to Google in a calm,
collected manner?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Al
Kossow <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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complain LOUDLY to Google about this!<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/google-a-search-company-has-made-its-internet-archive-impossible-to-search"
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