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Dear everyone, here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? ---jan Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de
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Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
I'd look at Wired around that time. Off the top of my head, I think it might've been a Wired issue around May or June 1994, and a bigger story about Netscape around October 1994. I worked at Netscape in 1996, 1998–99, but that's worlds away from Mosaic Communications Corporation. :) Best wishes, Molly Steenson On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
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Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
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Hi, When Artifacts launched in 2001, I had a celebration dinner at the legendary Buck's Diner in Woodside...I was told my table was "where Netscape was founded." I imagine there were meetings all over Silicon Valley, but this might back up that claim.. https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-the-silicon-valley-cafe-where-paypal-... ? Nice recall of memories, thanks! best wishes, Christine Artifacts: an Archaeologist's Year in Silicon Valley (MIT Press, 2001 & 2002) On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 14:36, Molly Wright Steenson <msteenso@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
I'd look at Wired around that time. Off the top of my head, I think it might've been a Wired issue around May or June 1994, and a bigger story about Netscape around October 1994.
I worked at Netscape in 1996, 1998–99, but that's worlds away from Mosaic Communications Corporation. :)
Best wishes, Molly Steenson
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg < jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
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Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
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It doesn’t answer directly your question, but here’s a tidbit somewhat related to it. At Veritas, we had retained a consultant, a kid named Brian Marick, one of the four who worked on NCSA Mosaic at Illinois (the two well-known ‘kids’ were Andreessen and Bina; the other two did not come west to do what became Netscape). Marick later attained some fame via doing the Agile Manifesto for software development. Through this connection, I had a possibility to invest slightly in Netscape, which (brilliantly) I declined. They went public on a Wednesday August 9th, and the stock went nuts. My wife, then at Apple, was incensed that I had not bought any, either before or at the opening. I mean, like INCENSED. We had a small home for sale in Palo Alto that week, and the deal failed when on the same Wednesday, our proposed buyer, who was the golf course manager for Shoreline, was indicted for cause. We were mostly packed and ready to move when this happened. That same Wednesday night, Jim Barksdale, who was the Netscape CEO at the IPO, bought a home down the block (1107 Hamilton Ave) with his new-found fortune, and he asked the owners to move out by the weekend, which caught them quite off-guard. Their realtor was our realtor; she said to them—“I know another home down the street (1140) that you’d love, and they could move quickly.” So, not yet knowing the backstory that the realtor knew, I met this couple at lunch the next day Thursday, in our home. The wife, without tipping their hand, said, “How soon could you move?” Gratuitously (I must have been on drugs), I leaned casually on the SubZero fridge, and said, for the right price, we could move this weekend.” She said, “Well, how about by tomorrow night, Friday?” I gulped, and said, “I need to call my wife,” who was working across town. When she answered, I said something like, “Hey, I just got a chance to get some Netscape money if we move quickly, what do you think?” She said “sure, glad to hear it.” When she later learned that “moving quickly” meant something different than just writing an investment check, she was not easily mollified. But we did move Friday, and Barksdale moved in down the street on Sunday or Monday. Later, I had an unusual opportunity, probably as ACM President at some untoward meeting—to introduce Mark Andreessen to Doug Englebart. I don’t recall how we happened to get together, but I clearly recall each of them exclaiming, almost simultaneously, that “I’m thrilled to meet you”. One was 25, the other 70. I wish I had a photo of that encounter. Chuck House www.innovascapesinstitute.com www.anywhereanytime.io/covid19 http://innovascapes.blogspot.com 805-570-6706 From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Molly Wright Steenson <msteenso@andrew.cmu.edu> Reply-To: <steenson@cmu.edu> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 6:36 AM To: Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de>, <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape I'd look at Wired around that time. Off the top of my head, I think it might've been a Wired issue around May or June 1994, and a bigger story about Netscape around October 1994. I worked at Netscape in 1996, 1998–99, but that's worlds away from Mosaic Communications Corporation. :) Best wishes, Molly Steenson On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> wrote: Dear everyone, here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? ---jan Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: Von: "Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de> Betreff: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians Datum: 14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ Antwort an: "Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de> Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org -- Molly Wright Steenson, PhD (she/her) Senior Associate Dean for Research, College of Fine Arts K&L Gates Associate Professor in Ethics and Computational Technologies Associate Professor, School of Design Carnegie Mellon University Mobile (text preferred): 203.640.8653 steenson@cmu.edu _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
Have you consulted the book Netscape Time by Jim Clark? It is a pretty detailed accounting of the founding of Netscape. Misti Yang mistiyang.com On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
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Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
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+1 on Netscape Time. The other place to look is Michael Lewis’s The New New Thing about Jim Clark. Tom From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Misti Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:55 AM To: Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de>; members@sigcis.org Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape Have you consulted the book Netscape Time by Jim Clark? It is a pretty detailed accounting of the founding of Netscape. Misti Yang mistiyang.com <http://mistiyang.com> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> > wrote: Dear everyone, here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? ---jan Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: Von: "Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de> > Betreff: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians Datum: 14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ Antwort an: "Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de> > Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com <http://cdc.leuphana.com> _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org <http://sigcis.org> , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
Dear all, I’m so thankful for all your recommendations. That's great! Thanks a lot. Now I know what to do. Best, Andreas Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
Am 14.01.2021 um 17:22 schrieb <thomas.haigh@gmail.com> <thomas.haigh@gmail.com>:
+1 on Netscape Time. The other place to look is Michael Lewis’s The New New Thing about Jim Clark.
Tom
From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Misti Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:55 AM To: Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de>; members@sigcis.org Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape
Have you consulted the book Netscape Time by Jim Clark? It is a pretty detailed accounting of the founding of Netscape.
Misti Yang mistiyang.com <http://mistiyang.com/>
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>> wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
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Von: "Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> Betreff: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians Datum: 14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ Antwort an: "Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>>
Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com <http://cdc.leuphana.com/>
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Dear All, Misti and Tom's suggestion of Lewis's *The New, New Thing* (and Wired) came to mind first. Some other possibilities are the *San Jose Mercury News*, which I think has a historical digitized database going back to the mid 1980s or so. (Perhaps the historical databases of the newspaper articles of the *WSJ *and *NYT *also) The trade publications *Computerworld *and *Datamation *might be possibilities. In addition to Lewis's book which is detailed, other journalists wrote books on the Browser Wars, might be something in them on this. University of Illinois has tremendous Archives/Special Collections, that might be a place to check with as well. I don't know what they have on Mosaic and the commercialization of the work done at Illinois by Andreeson, Clark and Co. at Netscape,, but perhaps they have something. At CBI we have grown our internet history archives greatly in recent years...Do not know what is in it but we have a bit on Netscape's early years in the Monash Collection and the Cortada Papers. (Have a ton on the other MOSAIC ;-) (Multi-User On-Line System for the Analysis of International Computing, an interdisciplinary collaborative effort to study computing/CS in the USSR, China, etc.), but relatively little on Mosaic browser and Netscape (other than one is below) at CBI. Best, Jeff Netscape, 1995-1998. <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/archival_objects/55986> File — Box: 21, Folder: 1-6 Scope and Contents From the Series: Files are listed in alphabetical order by company name. Many companies have multiple listings under slightly different names, such as Acucobol and Acucobol, Inc. When provided, the original file names were retained. *Dates: *1995-1998. *Found in: *Charles Babbage Institute Archives <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3> / CBI 160, Curt A. Monash papers <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/resources/277> / Company Files <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/archival_objects/54645> Manger, Jason J. Netscape Navigator , 1995 <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/archival_objects/62267> Item — Box: 116 Scope and Content Note From the Collection: The James W. Cortada Papers include research materials for The Digital Hand(Cortada's three-volume history of computing in American industries), IBM documents and publications collected by Cortada while working for the company, and publications authored or edited by James W. Cortada on the history of business and computing. Box numbering starts over with the 2009 donation. *Dates: *1995 *Found in: *Charles Babbage Institute Archives <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3> / CBI 185, James W. Cortada papers <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/resources/289> / Books and Serials, 2009 Donation. <https://archives.lib.umn.edu/repositories/3/archival_objects/60073> Best, Jeff *"Injustice wears the same harsh face wherever it shows itself."*-Ralph Ellison Jeffrey R. Yost, Ph.D. Director, Charles Babbage Institute Research Professor, Program in the History of Science, Technology, and Medicine 222 21st Avenue South University of Minnesota Minneapolis, MN 55455 612 624 5050 Phone 612 625 8054 Fax On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:31 AM Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de> wrote:
Dear all, I’m so thankful for all your recommendations. That's great! Thanks a lot. Now I know what to do. Best, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
Am 14.01.2021 um 17:22 schrieb <thomas.haigh@gmail.com> < thomas.haigh@gmail.com>:
+1 on Netscape Time. The other place to look is Michael Lewis’s *The New New Thing* about Jim Clark.
Tom
*From:* Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> *On Behalf Of *Misti *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:55 AM *To:* Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> *Cc:* Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de>; members@sigcis.org *Subject:* Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape
Have you consulted the book Netscape Time by Jim Clark? It is a pretty detailed accounting of the founding of Netscape.
Misti Yang mistiyang.com
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Jan Müggenburg < jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
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Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard Leuphana Universität Lüneburg Centre for Digital Cultures Am Sande 5 21335 Lüneburg
Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com
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Jan, I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May. Regards Brian Carpenter On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote:
Dear everyone,
here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help?
---jan
Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg
Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science
Leuphana University of Lueneburg Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 21335 Lueneburg E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>>
Dear all, I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. Thank you so much for your help. Best regards, Andreas
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Tel.: 04131 2192622 cdc.leuphana.com <http://cdc.leuphana.com>
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I'd kinda forgotten that factoid. The VC who committed suicide wasn't just a friend, it was Glenn Mueller who had funded Clark to do Silicon Graphics, and made a bazillion dollars in the process. But Mueller et al had cut deals as SGI grew, that Clark felt minimized his own fortune from SGI, and when it came time to seek investors, Clark pointedly told Mueller to go pound sand, and he gave the deal to John Doerr at Kleiner-Perkins as I recall the story. Glenn, deeply despondent about this (and some other things), shot himself while cruising on his ship in Baja California. I didn't realize it was the same day--I thought there was a week or two lagtime Chuck House www.innovascapesinstitute.com <http://www.innovascapesinstitute.com> www.anywhereanytime.io/covid19 <http://www.anywhereanytime.io/covid19> http://innovascapes.blogspot.com 805-570-6706 On 1/14/21, 11:44 AM, "Members on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: Jan, I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May. Regards Brian Carpenter On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote: > Dear everyone, > > here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? > > ---jan > > Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg > > Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science > > Leuphana University of Lueneburg > Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media > Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 > Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 > 21335 Lueneburg > E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> > >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >> *Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> >> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* >> *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ >> *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>> >> >> Dear all, >> I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? >> It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. >> Thank you so much for your help. >> Best regards, Andreas >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg >> Centre for Digital Cultures >> Am Sande 5 >> 21335 Lüneburg >> >> Tel.: 04131 2192622 >> cdc.leuphana.com <http://cdc.leuphana.com> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org > _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
The Archives Center at the National Museum of American History has an oral history interview with Marc Andreeson, conducted in 1995. The interview was recorded on video and cassette tapes. Unfortunately a transcript of the interview isn't available. I'm not sure if there is mention of what happened on that day. Here is the finding aid for this oral history collection: https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.1303.pdf. Very sad about Glenn Mueller. I didn't know that part of the story either. Be well, Alana Alana Staiti (she/her/hers) Curator of the History of Computers and Information Sciences National Museum of American History Smithsonian Institution staitia@si.edu<mailto:staitia@si.edu> ________________________________ From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:10 PM To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>; Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>; members@sigcis.org <members@sigcis.org> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape External Email - Exercise Caution I'd kinda forgotten that factoid. The VC who committed suicide wasn't just a friend, it was Glenn Mueller who had funded Clark to do Silicon Graphics, and made a bazillion dollars in the process. But Mueller et al had cut deals as SGI grew, that Clark felt minimized his own fortune from SGI, and when it came time to seek investors, Clark pointedly told Mueller to go pound sand, and he gave the deal to John Doerr at Kleiner-Perkins as I recall the story. Glenn, deeply despondent about this (and some other things), shot himself while cruising on his ship in Baja California. I didn't realize it was the same day--I thought there was a week or two lagtime Chuck House https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovas... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovascapesinstitute.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=76tBPKWfwIxbr0sZbVE4fW%2FgIqZnsOKsEDwZOk%2F%2FMN8%3D&reserved=0> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anywher... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anywhereanytime.io%2Fcovid19&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tR%2BwgpBsAjKNrkUVXZLkhihEe1MSrm8d1Bf16xpK2kg%3D&reserved=0> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finnovascape... 805-570-6706 On 1/14/21, 11:44 AM, "Members on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: Jan, I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May. Regards Brian Carpenter On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote: > Dear everyone, > > here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? > > ---jan > > Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg > > Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science > > Leuphana University of Lueneburg > Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media > Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 > Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 > 21335 Lueneburg > E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> > >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >> *Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> >> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* >> *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ >> *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>> >> >> Dear all, >> I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? >> It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. >> Thank you so much for your help. >> Best regards, Andreas >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg >> Centre for Digital Cultures >> Am Sande 5 >> 21335 Lüneburg >> >> Tel.: 04131 2192622 >> cdc.leuphana.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdc.leuphana.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Rs4FcpQb%2BTCDR%2FUxLbJEC%2Bc4ySoYW25L8Bu404qb%2BLA%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Follow-up re the Mueller segment, Clark commenting on Lewis’ book, the NEW New Thing, about Clark https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Lewis-on-the-Trail-of-Clark-Aut... It was indeed a week later, not ‘on the day’ when Mueller cashed it in. “"It's very difficult to see myself in print," says Clark, 55. "It's not a flattering portrayal, but I suppose it's balanced and reasonably fair. I think Michael is an incredibly funny, talented person. He is so bloody observant that you can't spend time with him and hide who you are. I wasn't prepared for that." However, he says Lewis took a bit of artistic license to spin his yarn. For example, Clark says that Mueller committed suicide a full week after the two spoke, not immediately, as suggested in the book. Clark adds that his own personality came across "as a little greedy, and I never envisioned myself that way because I've shared a lot with the others in all the companies I've been involved with. One of my priorities was to make sure engineers and others were owners of these companies." Chuck House www.innovascapesinstitute.com www.anywhereanytime.io/covid19 http://innovascapes.blogspot.com 805-570-6706 From: "Staiti, Alana" <StaitiA@si.edu> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:22 PM To: Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>, "members@sigcis.org" <members@sigcis.org> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape The Archives Center at the National Museum of American History has an oral history interview with Marc Andreeson, conducted in 1995. The interview was recorded on video and cassette tapes. Unfortunately a transcript of the interview isn't available. I'm not sure if there is mention of what happened on that day. Here is the finding aid for this oral history collection: https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.1303.pdf. Very sad about Glenn Mueller. I didn't know that part of the story either. Be well, Alana Alana Staiti (she/her/hers) Curator of the History of Computers and Information Sciences National Museum of American History Smithsonian Institution staitia@si.edu From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:10 PM To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>; Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>; members@sigcis.org <members@sigcis.org> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape External Email - Exercise Caution I'd kinda forgotten that factoid. The VC who committed suicide wasn't just a friend, it was Glenn Mueller who had funded Clark to do Silicon Graphics, and made a bazillion dollars in the process. But Mueller et al had cut deals as SGI grew, that Clark felt minimized his own fortune from SGI, and when it came time to seek investors, Clark pointedly told Mueller to go pound sand, and he gave the deal to John Doerr at Kleiner-Perkins as I recall the story. Glenn, deeply despondent about this (and some other things), shot himself while cruising on his ship in Baja California. I didn't realize it was the same day--I thought there was a week or two lagtime Chuck House https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovas... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovascapesinstitute.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=76tBPKWfwIxbr0sZbVE4fW%2FgIqZnsOKsEDwZOk%2F%2FMN8%3D&reserved=0> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anywher... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anywhereanytime.io%2Fcovid19&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=tR%2BwgpBsAjKNrkUVXZLkhihEe1MSrm8d1Bf16xpK2kg%3D&reserved=0> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Finnovascape... 805-570-6706 On 1/14/21, 11:44 AM, "Members on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: Jan, I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May. Regards Brian Carpenter On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote: > Dear everyone, > > here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? > > ---jan > > Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg > > Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science > > Leuphana University of Lueneburg > Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media > Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 > Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 > 21335 Lueneburg > E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> > >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >> *Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> >> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* >> *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ >> *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>> >> >> Dear all, >> I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? >> It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. >> Thank you so much for your help. >> Best regards, Andreas >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg >> Centre for Digital Cultures >> Am Sande 5 >> 21335 Lüneburg >> >> Tel.: 04131 2192622 >> cdc.leuphana.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdc.leuphana.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Rs4FcpQb%2BTCDR%2FUxLbJEC%2Bc4ySoYW25L8Bu404qb%2BLA%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Chuck, To be very clear, that article (for which many thanks) says: "Clark says that Mueller committed suicide a full week after the two spoke, not immediately, as suggested in the book" (where "the book" is "The New New Thing"). In "Netscape Time" Clark is very explicit that the suicide was the same day that Mosaic Communications Corporation was officially founded. Clark wrote that the phone call from Mueller was "just before I left for Illinois with Marc" which would indeed have been about a week earlier. "Netscape Time" doesn't give the exact date, however, just indicating "the last week of March" (page 52). Oh, by the way, I just noticed that "Netscape Time" has a chapter title "Operation Pied Piper". Fans of "Silicon Valley" on TV please note. Regards Brian Carpenter On 15-Jan-21 09:47, Chuck House wrote:
Follow-up re the Mueller segment, Clark commenting on Lewis’ book, the NEW New Thing, about Clark
https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Lewis-on-the-Trail-of-Clark-Aut...
It was indeed a week later, not ‘on the day’ when Mueller cashed it in. “"It's very difficult to see myself in print," says Clark, 55. "It's not a flattering portrayal, but I suppose it's balanced and reasonably fair. I think Michael is an incredibly funny, talented person. He is so bloody observant that you can't spend time with him and hide who you are. I wasn't prepared for that."
However, he says Lewis took a bit of artistic license to spin his yarn. For example, Clark says that Mueller committed suicide a full week after the two spoke, not immediately, as suggested in the book.Clark adds that his own personality came across "as a little greedy, and I never envisioned myself that way because I've shared a lot with the others in all the companies I've been involved with. One of my priorities was to make sure engineers and others were owners of these companies."
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*From: *"Staiti, Alana" <StaitiA@si.edu> *Date: *Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:22 PM *To: *Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>, "members@sigcis.org" <members@sigcis.org> *Cc: *Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de> *Subject: *Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape
The Archives Center at the National Museum of American History has an oral history interview with Marc Andreeson, conducted in 1995. The interview was recorded on video and cassette tapes. Unfortunately a transcript of the interview isn't available. I'm not sure if there is mention of what happened on that day. Here is the finding aid for this oral history collection: https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.1303.pdf.
Very sad about Glenn Mueller. I didn't know that part of the story either.
Be well,
Alana
*Alana Staiti* (she/her/hers)
Curator of the History of Computers and Information Sciences
National Museum of American History
Smithsonian Institution
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I'd kinda forgotten that factoid. The VC who committed suicide wasn't just a friend, it was Glenn Mueller who had funded Clark to do Silicon Graphics, and made a bazillion dollars in the process. But Mueller et al had cut deals as SGI grew, that Clark felt minimized his own fortune from SGI, and when it came time to seek investors, Clark pointedly told Mueller to go pound sand, and he gave the deal to John Doerr at Kleiner-Perkins as I recall the story. Glenn, deeply despondent about this (and some other things), shot himself while cruising on his ship in Baja California. I didn't realize it was the same day--I thought there was a week or two lagtime
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On 1/14/21, 11:44 AM, "Members on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
Jan,
I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May.
Regards Brian Carpenter
On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote: > Dear everyone, > > here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? > > ---jan > > Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg > > Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science > > Leuphana University of Lueneburg > Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media > Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 > Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 > 21335 Lueneburg > E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> > >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >> *Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>> >> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* >> *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ >> *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>> >> >> Dear all, >> I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? >> It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. >> Thank you so much for your help. >> Best regards, Andreas >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg >> Centre for Digital Cultures >> Am Sande 5 >> 21335 Lüneburg >> >> Tel.: 04131 2192622 >> cdc.leuphana.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdc.leuphana.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Rs4FcpQb%2BTCDR%2FUxLbJEC%2Bc4ySoYW25L8Bu404qb%2BLA%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigci... and you can change your subscription options at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigci... >
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I just found the time to read all the answers. So fascinating to observe how a precise question opens a window to the past with all its facets (disappointed friendships, real estate trading, stock prices, sub-zero fridges etc.). Thank you SIGCIS! ---jan
Am 14.01.2021 um 21:47 schrieb Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com>:
Follow-up re the Mueller segment, Clark commenting on Lewis’ book, the NEW New Thing, about Clark https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Lewis-on-the-Trail-of-Clark-Aut... <https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Lewis-on-the-Trail-of-Clark-Author-catches-up-2900756.php>
It was indeed a week later, not ‘on the day’ when Mueller cashed it in. “"It's very difficult to see myself in print," says Clark, 55. "It's not a flattering portrayal, but I suppose it's balanced and reasonably fair. I think Michael is an incredibly funny, talented person. He is so bloody observant that you can't spend time with him and hide who you are. I wasn't prepared for that."
However, he says Lewis took a bit of artistic license to spin his yarn. For example, Clark says that Mueller committed suicide a full week after the two spoke, not immediately, as suggested in the book. Clark adds that his own personality came across "as a little greedy, and I never envisioned myself that way because I've shared a lot with the others in all the companies I've been involved with. One of my priorities was to make sure engineers and others were owners of these companies."
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From: "Staiti, Alana" <StaitiA@si.edu <mailto:StaitiA@si.edu>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:22 PM To: Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com <mailto:housec1839@gmail.com>>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>>, Jan Müggenburg <jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>>, "members@sigcis.org <mailto:members@sigcis.org>" <members@sigcis.org <mailto:members@sigcis.org>> Cc: Andreas Bernard <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Fwd: [CDCinfo] a question for computer historians regarding Netscape
The Archives Center at the National Museum of American History has an oral history interview with Marc Andreeson, conducted in 1995. The interview was recorded on video and cassette tapes. Unfortunately a transcript of the interview isn't available. I'm not sure if there is mention of what happened on that day. Here is the finding aid for this oral history collection: https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.1303.pdf <https://sirismm.si.edu/EADpdfs/NMAH.AC.1303.pdf>.
Very sad about Glenn Mueller. I didn't know that part of the story either.
Be well, Alana
Alana Staiti (she/her/hers) Curator of the History of Computers and Information Sciences
National Museum of American History
Smithsonian Institution
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I'd kinda forgotten that factoid. The VC who committed suicide wasn't just a friend, it was Glenn Mueller who had funded Clark to do Silicon Graphics, and made a bazillion dollars in the process. But Mueller et al had cut deals as SGI grew, that Clark felt minimized his own fortune from SGI, and when it came time to seek investors, Clark pointedly told Mueller to go pound sand, and he gave the deal to John Doerr at Kleiner-Perkins as I recall the story. Glenn, deeply despondent about this (and some other things), shot himself while cruising on his ship in Baja California. I didn't realize it was the same day--I thought there was a week or two lagtime
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On 1/14/21, 11:44 AM, "Members on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org <mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
Jan,
I don't think there was a celebration. According to "Netscape Time", page 76, on that same day (which was just after the famous Clark/Andreesen visit to Champaign-Urbana), Clark got the news that a friend and business partner had committed suicide. So not a time for celebration. Founding an empty company was just a routine administrative act anyway. They didn't really start hiring staff and doing work until May.
Regards Brian Carpenter
On 14-Jan-21 22:44, Jan Müggenburg wrote: > Dear everyone, > > here’s an interesting question concerning the history of Netscape from my dear colleague Andreas Bernard. How did Andreessen and Clark (and probably Perkins?) celebrate the foundation of Mosaic Communications Corporation on April 4th 1994? Can someone help? > > ---jan > > Prof. Dr. Jan Müggenburg > > Assistant Professor for Media History and History of Science > > Leuphana University of Lueneburg > Institute for Culture and Aesthetics of Digital Media > Universitätsallee 1, C5.324 > Fon: 0049 4131 6771647 > 21335 Lueneburg > E-Mail: jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de> <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de <mailto:jan.mueggenburg@leuphana.de>> > >> Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht: >> >> *Von: *"Andreas Bernard" <CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de> <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de <mailto:CDCinfo@leuphana.de>>> >> *Betreff: **[CDCinfo] a question for computer historians* >> *Datum: *14. Januar 2021 um 10:34:56 MEZ >> *Antwort an: *"Andreas Bernard" <bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de> <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de <mailto:bernard@leuphana.de>>> >> >> Dear all, >> I have a little question concerning a certain day in recent computer history. Has anybody done some research or does anybody know a source about April 4 1994, the day Andreessen and Clark founded Netscape? I would need some precise information on the circumstances of that day: when and where did they release the foundation, how did they celebrate it, what did they do in the evening of April 4 (e.g. a festive dinner, a big party)? >> It would be so great if somebody among us knew a source? I have researched the Net for hours and all I found was only some very general articles about the foundation, without any specific information. >> Thank you so much for your help. >> Best regards, Andreas >> >> >> Prof. Dr. Andreas Bernard >> Leuphana Universität Lüneburg >> Centre for Digital Cultures >> Am Sande 5 >> 21335 Lüneburg >> >> Tel.: 04131 2192622 >> cdc.leuphana.com <http://cdc.leuphana.com/> <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdc.leuphan... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcdc.leuphana.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Rs4FcpQb%2BTCDR%2FUxLbJEC%2Bc4ySoYW25L8Bu404qb%2BLA%3D&reserved=0>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org <http://sigcis.org/>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigci... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigcis.org%2Fpipermail%2Fmembers-sigcis.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=YBXKKxK0%2FMbp12B2kaxiiRNrYf70pgJvpKlX09ukoLw%3D&reserved=0> and you can change your subscription options at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigci... <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.sigcis.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fmembers-sigcis.org&data=04%7C01%7Cstaitia%40si.edu%7C6c7b330b9f4a4f6b8fc008d8b8c8645b%7C989b5e2a14e44efe93b78cdd5fc5d11c%7C0%7C0%7C637462518104034341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=vOVHrlBJCkH7Us7LsfN9EO2aTX9pxqci01XQUOEbhlI%3D&reserved=0> >
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