Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga
Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.”
Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003. Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s. The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos <Glenn@momentllc.com> wrote:
Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA
Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.”
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On 1/22/17 3:09 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
perhaps as early as the late 1960s.
mid-60s. DTSS and GE Timesharing, Datanet, all that stuff is the period you're thinking of. Tymshare wouldn't have run on SDS-940s if GE would have been willing to sell them hardware.
It's not clear from the Sinback oral history just how early email was available on GEIS, and I haven't come across anything yet that suggests it was available on DTSS. But Sinback's account clearly describes GEIS as a broadly available computer information system and he claims it supported email. There is sufficient context in the oral history to infer that email was definitely a feature by the mid-1970s. And Sinback casts some aspersions on Tymshare, suggesting that most of their software was in fact based on GE software. That's outside my scope of inquiry for now, but it is an intriguing question. -- Ian On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
On 1/22/17 3:09 PM, Ian S. King wrote:
perhaps as early as the late 1960s.
mid-60s. DTSS and GE Timesharing, Datanet, all that stuff is the period you're thinking of.
Tymshare wouldn't have run on SDS-940s if GE would have been willing to sell them hardware.
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-- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
GE had general time sharing internationally using BASIC a number of us internationally used it for "email" we all had the same account access and an email identified who it was to in the title of the basic program which turned out to be a set of REM(ark) statements with what ever message we want to share internationally. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Ian S. King <isking@uw.edu> wrote:
Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003. Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s.
The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos <Glenn@momentllc.com> wrote:
Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA
Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.”
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Hi, Just to add footnotes to the chronicle of email, I just asked about early development and use of electronic mail on the list of Bull-GE and CII-Honeywell-Bull veterans. Among the first answers: • Claude Ducarouge : "In late 1970-early1971, to integrate GCOS7 [one of the major OS under development within Honeywell Information Systems, ex-GEIS] we used the Boston Multics system with TTY33 consoles ( 2 or 3 consoles). To communicate daily with the developers in Boston and to organize exchanges of files (shipment of magnetic tapes through Air France pilots, processing in Boston and retrieval of printed results of compilations 24 h later at Orly airport), we exchanged messages between the TTY33s of Paris and Boston. Some texts started to be processed with the Worpro function on Multics to edit documents... And the messages would point at "attachments", to a path toward a file on the system. • Alain Bron, who worked in the early 1970s at the national champion CII on the large IRIS 80 computer, participated in the development of an OS dedicated to teleprocessing, Stratege, which "offered already multi-windows and a message functionnality of up to 160 characters". Note that, if we apply here the Shiva Ayyadurai logic, this Frenchman can claim to have invented Twitter 45 years ago – with 20 extra signs as a bonus. Hope this helps – at least to start a bright year, Pierre Mounier-Kuhn De: "Murray Turoff" <murray.turoff@gmail.com> À: "Ian S. King" <isking@uw.edu> Cc: "members" <members@sigcis.org> Envoyé: Lundi 23 Janvier 2017 05:54:23 Objet: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga GE had general time sharing internationally using BASIC a number of us internationally used it for "email" we all had the same account access and an email identified who it was to in the title of the basic program which turned out to be a set of REM(ark) statements with what ever message we want to share internationally. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Ian S. King < isking@uw.edu > wrote: Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003 . Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s. The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos < Glenn@momentllc.com > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.” _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal Value Sensitive Design Research Lab University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China." _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. 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"Note that, if we apply here the Shiva Ayyadurai logic, this Frenchman can claim to have invented Twitter 45 years ago – with 20 extra signs as a bonus." Amusingly, I ran into a copy of Amiga World from 1988 with a special feature on "getting online", and the guy on the cover drawing is, literally, "tweeting" - picture here: https://twitter.com/MinitelResearch/status/626751659310342144/photo/1?ref_sr... I think someone retweeted this to Jack Dorsey, but no lawsuit seems to have been filed against that magazine yet... Cheers! Julien ------ Julien Mailland Assistant Professor of Telecommunications Indiana University www.minitel.us From: Pierre MOUNIER-KUHN <mounier@msh-paris.fr> To: members <members@sigcis.org> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga Hi,Just to add footnotes to the chronicle of email, I just asked about early development and use of electronic mail on the list of Bull-GE and CII-Honeywell-Bull veterans. Among the first answers: • Claude Ducarouge : "In late 1970-early1971, to integrate GCOS7 [one of the major OS under development within Honeywell Information Systems, ex-GEIS] we used the Boston Multics system with TTY33 consoles ( 2 or 3 consoles). To communicate daily with the developers in Boston and to organize exchanges of files (shipment of magnetic tapes through Air France pilots, processing in Boston and retrieval of printed results of compilations 24 h later at Orly airport), we exchanged messages between the TTY33s of Paris and Boston. Some texts started to be processed with the Worpro function on Multics to edit documents... And the messages would point at "attachments", to a path toward a file on the system. • Alain Bron, who worked in the early 1970s at the national champion CII on the large IRIS 80 computer, participated in the development of an OS dedicated to teleprocessing, Stratege, which "offered already multi-windows and a message functionnality of up to 160 characters". Note that, if we apply here the Shiva Ayyadurai logic, this Frenchman can claim to have invented Twitter 45 years ago – with 20 extra signs as a bonus. Hope this helps – at least to start a bright year,Pierre Mounier-Kuhn De: "Murray Turoff" <murray.turoff@gmail.com> À: "Ian S. King" <isking@uw.edu> Cc: "members" <members@sigcis.org> Envoyé: Lundi 23 Janvier 2017 05:54:23 Objet: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga GE had general time sharing internationally using BASIC a number of us internationally used it for "email" we all had the same account access and an email identified who it was to in the title of the basic program which turned out to be a set of REM(ark) statements with what ever message we want to share internationally. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Ian S. King <isking@uw.edu> wrote: Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003. Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s. The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos <Glenn@momentllc.com> wrote: Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.” _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Hi All, Thanks for this interesting discussion and citations. It's clear that there were people sending electronic mail messages even before there were digital computers, as Paul points out. There is also documentation about the early days of electronic messages from the 1970s. Certainly there can always be more scholarship about these topics, and it's important to recognize the collective effort that is behind innovation in computing, but I am not sure it's worth trying to discredit Ayyadurai. If nothing else, his circle seems to be interested in publicity, and attacking his claim will simply create another opportunity for them to get back into the news. It seems to me that there are other, more pressing issues we could tackle as a group. The new head of the FCC has raised some concern because he might be opposed to net neutrality. The film Hidden Figures, which is drawing huge audiences and has been nominated for an Oscar, is proof of a widespread interest in diversity in the history of computing. These topics, in my mind, seem more pressing than the claim that one person invented email. Chris On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Pierre MOUNIER-KUHN <mounier@msh-paris.fr> wrote:
Hi, Just to add footnotes to the chronicle of email, I just asked about early development and use of electronic mail on the list of Bull-GE and CII-Honeywell-Bull veterans. Among the first answers:
• Claude Ducarouge : "In late 1970-early1971, to integrate GCOS7 [one of the major OS under development within Honeywell Information Systems, ex-GEIS] we used the Boston Multics system with TTY33 consoles ( 2 or 3 consoles). To communicate daily with the developers in Boston and to organize exchanges of files (shipment of magnetic tapes through Air France pilots, processing in Boston and retrieval of printed results of compilations 24 h later at Orly airport), we exchanged messages between the TTY33s of Paris and Boston. Some texts started to be processed with the Worpro function on Multics to edit documents... And the messages would point at "attachments", to a path toward a file on the system.
• Alain Bron, who worked in the early 1970s at the national champion CII on the large IRIS 80 computer, participated in the development of an OS dedicated to teleprocessing, Stratege, which "offered already multi-windows and a message functionnality of up to 160 characters". Note that, if we apply here the Shiva Ayyadurai logic, this Frenchman can claim to have invented Twitter 45 years ago – with 20 extra signs as a bonus.
Hope this helps – at least to start a bright year, Pierre Mounier-Kuhn
------------------------------ *De: *"Murray Turoff" <murray.turoff@gmail.com> *À: *"Ian S. King" <isking@uw.edu> *Cc: *"members" <members@sigcis.org> *Envoyé: *Lundi 23 Janvier 2017 05:54:23 *Objet: *Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga
GE had general time sharing internationally using BASIC a number of us internationally used it for "email" we all had the same account access and an email identified who it was to in the title of the basic program which turned out to be a set of REM(ark) statements with what ever message we want to share internationally.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Ian S. King <isking@uw.edu> wrote:
Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003. Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s. The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos <Glenn@momentllc.com> wrote:
Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA
Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.”
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Hi, AFAIK, "The History of Electronic Mail" within Multics is described in http://multicians.org/thvv/mail-history.html by Tom Van Vleck, who wrote the initial Multics "mail" command in summer of 1969, as part of the MIT-GE Multics project. Multics "mail" was a reimplementation of the MIT CTSS command MAIL written by Noel Morris and himself in 1965. The Multics mail facility was developed further in the 1970s by Honeywell. The Multics "Extended mail facility" and the "Executive mail facility" were built on top of the Multics secure messaging implementation. Additional Honeywell documentation on "mail" is listed in the Multics Bibliography, http://multicians.org/biblio.html Comments and add-ons welcome. Best, Pierre Mounier-Kuhn De: "Murray Turoff" <murray.turoff@gmail.com> À: "Ian S. King" <isking@uw.edu> Cc: "members" <members@sigcis.org> Envoyé: Lundi 23 Janvier 2017 05:54:23 Objet: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Resources on Ayyadurai saga GE had general time sharing internationally using BASIC a number of us internationally used it for "email" we all had the same account access and an email identified who it was to in the title of the basic program which turned out to be a set of REM(ark) statements with what ever message we want to share internationally. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Ian S. King < isking@uw.edu > wrote: Another bit of interesting information I found while doing some research for my dissertation, take a look at this oral history on the CHM site: http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658003 . Warner Sinback, in discussing his work with General Electric, talks about creating an email system. The timeframe is not clearly defined but it is obvious from the text that it is prior to 1979, easily placed in the early 1970s and perhaps as early as the late 1960s. The body of 'prior art' accumulates. It certainly seems that the idea of email was a parallel evolution across the computer industry, not a point event - and certainly not in 1979 (or whatever date Ayyadurai is claiming this week). -- Ian On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Glenn Bugos < Glenn@momentllc.com > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Don’t think this tidbit has appeared on the list...A few years back there was a rock musical in London called Loserville. It’s now closed, though American high schools are picking it up. It is set in 1971, focusing on Michael Dork, a nerdy high school student confused by girls, with a tight group of friends, striving to invent email as his “one way ticket out of Loserville." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDUqgUylpVA Here’s a high school in Oregon, performing the last act of the play, where the brilliant, beautiful and underestimated Holly, blackmailed by the scion of military contractor Arch Systems, enjoys the Eureka moment of putting “@“ in the address (:45) then passes her secret along to her friend Michael (3:30). “After all this time/it seems so obvious/we’re making history/we’ll be notorious/so many sleepless nights/it never came to us/it’s so simple/it’s genius.” Then “It’s the birth of the digital/God what a miracle/we are really living in the future now.” _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal Value Sensitive Design Research Lab University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China." _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org BQ_END -- please send messages to murray.turoff@gmail.com do not use @ njit.edu address Distinguished Professor Emeritus Information Systems, NJIT homepage: http://is.njit.edu/turoff _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
http://multicians.org/ is a valuable resource more generally -- a fine example of a website for a specific computing history topic.
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Al Kossow -
Christopher Leslie -
dave.walden.family＠gmail.com -
Glenn Bugos -
Ian S. King -
Julien Mailland -
Murray Turoff -
Pierre MOUNIER-KUHN