[SIGCIS-Members] In today's Boston Globe, re developer of EMAIL

Tue Feb 14 12:22:42 PST 2017

Suffering through Google Translate's sometimes awkward constructions, I
think Morten has stated the case succinctly and with accuracy.  I do take
exception with one item that I think Morten cites rather than proposes: in
the American legal system, a settlement does not necessarily or even often
indicate adjudication on the claim.  I worked in law in a former life, and
often settlement was chosen over litigation when the up-side of winning
wasn't worth additional legal fees.  It was one of the first things that
jumped out at me when I read about the Gawker settlement.  There was no
"win" here, only "I'm done with this matter; here, take some money and go
away"  -- Ian

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Sarah T. Roberts <sarah.roberts at ucla.edu>
wrote:

> Further clarification (and thanks, Morten!):
>
> I agree that Dave is good to offer a timely reminder, especially for newer
> participants. But I also don't want this to silence the historically
> grounded discussion on SIGCIS, one of the only bastions of pushback against
> this false history - and a consistent one at that. I'm offended by the
> situation, not colleagues on the list. So much good work has been done -
> let's not forget Marie's critically important new book, for example! - that
> it angers me to have this continue to crop up. If anything, the work of
> this community is about adding to the rich and varied collective cast of characters
>  who have played parts in computing history. I've never seen one deserving
> of inclusion not be welcomed by SIGCIS. Charlatans, however, should beware.
>
> Sorry for all the email; I'll can it now.
>
> Warmly,
> Sarah
> ---
>
> S a r a h  T.  R o b e r t s,  P h. D.
>
> Assistant Professor
> University of California, Los Angeles
> Department of Information Studies
> Graduate School of Education & Information Studies
> https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/
>
> Blogging periodically at
> http://illusionofvolition.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Morten Bay <mortenbay at live.com> wrote:
>
> I forgot to post this when it happened, but I wrote about this nonsense in
> the Danish newspaper Politiken a few weeks ago. Thought I'd post it now,
> also in support of Professor Roberts, who we are so proud of in our
> department!
>
> It's in Danish, and though I tried to use neutral verbiage, I'm sure
> Danish regulations of the freedom of the press would be sufficient to keep
> any law suits at bay. But have fun with Google Translate if you please...
>
> http://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/digitalt/internet/art5804281/Trump-
> relateret-rigmand-og-historikere-slås-om-e-mailens-oprindelse
>
> Morten
>
> Morten Bay
>
> Ph.D. Candidate, UCLA Information Studies
> Associate Researcher, KCIS
> Tech journalist, Politiken / Recordere.dk
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Members <members-bounces at lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Sarah T.
> Roberts <sarah.roberts at ucla.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:14:50 AM
> *To:* David C. Brock
> *Cc:* members at lists.sigcis.org
> *Subject:* Re: [SIGCIS-Members] In today's Boston Globe, re developer of
> EMAIL
>
> I mean I certainly don't intend to be silenced about either the record or
> my take on this situation, or engaging with others about it. That's rather
> the aim of suing, right?
>
> --Sarah
> ---
>
> S a r a h  T.  R o b e r t s,  P h. D.
>
> Assistant Professor
> University of California, Los Angeles
> Department of Information Studies
> Graduate School of Education & Information Studies
> https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/
>
> Blogging periodically at
> http://illusionofvolition.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 9:14 AM, David C. Brock <dcb at dcbrock.net> wrote:
>
> Dear All:
>
> I think it might be wise for you to consider that the SIGCIS Members email
> discussion archives are published publicly.
>
> Dr. Ayyadurai and his lawyers are included in this public.
>
> David
>
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:10 PM, Sarah T. Roberts <sarah.roberts at ucla.edu>
> wrote:
>
> It may be an ideal time to publicize this goofiness, given the area of
> alternative facts and the public' fatigue with them, and the bullies who
> rely upon them.
>
> ---
>
> S a r a h  T.  R o b e r t s,  P h. D.
>
> Assistant Professor
> University of California, Los Angeles
> Department of Information Studies
> Graduate School of Education & Information Studies
> https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/
>
> Blogging periodically at
> http://illusionofvolition.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Dave Walden <dave.walden.family at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The reporter is quite a good technology reporter, in my view; and I see
> the Globe as a pretty high quality newspaper.  I suspect that the article
> was carefully reviewed by the Globe's legal people to cast doubt on
> Ayyadurai's claims without making it possible for him to sue them for
> saying his claims are wrong.
>
> On 2/14/2017 11:42 AM, Pierre MOUNIER-KUHN wrote:
>
> Well, the article – and even more the readers' comments – are far from
> providing our self-proclaimed hero with the best publicity...
> The most objectionable in this paper is the term "*skeptics*" ("The
> skeptics say that by the 1970s, e-mail as we know it today was routinely
> used"). We are not "*skeptic*", we know that S.A.'s claims are *wrong*.
> Yours truly,
> Pierre MK
>
>
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-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu>
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org>
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org>

University of Washington

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