<div dir="ltr">Suffering through Google Translate's sometimes awkward constructions, I think Morten has stated the case succinctly and with accuracy. I do take exception with one item that I think Morten cites rather than proposes: in the American legal system, a settlement does not necessarily or even often indicate adjudication on the claim. I worked in law in a former life, and often settlement was chosen over litigation when the up-side of winning wasn't worth additional legal fees. It was one of the first things that jumped out at me when I read about the Gawker settlement. There was no "win" here, only "I'm done with this matter; here, take some money and go away" -- Ian </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Sarah T. Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sarah.roberts@ucla.edu" target="_blank">sarah.roberts@ucla.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Further clarification (and thanks, Morten!): </div><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature"><br><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">I agree that Dave is good to offer a timely reminder, especially for newer participants. But I also don't want this to silence the historically grounded discussion on SIGCIS, one of the only bastions of pushback against this false history - and a consistent one at that. I'm offended by the situation, not colleagues on the list. So much good work has been done - let's not forget Marie's critically important new book, for example! - that it angers me to have this continue to crop up. If anything, the work of this community is about adding to the rich and varied collective cast of c</span><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">haracters who have played parts in computing history. I've never seen one deserving of inclusion not be welcomed by SIGCIS. Charlatans, however, should beware. </span></div><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature">Sorry for all the email; I'll can it now. </div><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature">Warmly,</div><span class=""><div id="m_5597329062684541861AppleMailSignature">Sarah<br><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">---<br><br>S a r a h T. R o b e r t s, P h. D.<br><br>Assistant Professor<br>University of California, Los Angeles<br>Department of Information Studies<br>Graduate School of Education & Information Studies<br><a dir="ltr" href="https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/" target="_blank">https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/</a><br><br>Blogging periodically at<br><a dir="ltr" href="http://illusionofvolition.com/" target="_blank">http://illusionofvolition.com</a></span></div></span><span class=""><div><br>On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Morten Bay <<a href="mailto:mortenbay@live.com" target="_blank">mortenbay@live.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></span><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class="">
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I forgot to post this when it happened, but I wrote about this nonsense in the Danish newspaper Politiken a few weeks ago. Thought I'd post it now, also in support of Professor Roberts, who we are so proud of in our department!</p>
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It's in Danish, and though I tried to use neutral verbiage, I'm sure Danish regulations of the freedom of the press would be sufficient to keep any law suits at bay. But have fun with Google Translate if you please...</p>
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<a href="http://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/digitalt/internet/art5804281/Trump-relateret-rigmand-og-historikere-slås-om-e-mailens-oprindelse" target="_blank">http://politiken.dk/<wbr>forbrugogliv/digitalt/<wbr>internet/art5804281/Trump-<wbr>relateret-rigmand-og-<wbr>historikere-slås-om-e-mailens-<wbr>oprindelse</a></p>
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Ph.D. Candidate, UCLA Information Studies<br>
Associate Researcher, KCIS<br>
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<b>To:</b> David C. Brock<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:members@lists.sigcis.org" target="_blank">members@lists.sigcis.org</a><br>
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<div>I mean I certainly don't intend to be silenced about either the record or my take on this situation, or engaging with others about it. That's rather the aim of suing, right?</div>
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<div>Dr. Ayyadurai and his lawyers are included in this public.</div>
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<div>It may be an ideal time to publicize this goofiness, given the area of alternative facts and the public' fatigue with them, and the bullies who rely upon them. <br>
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Department of Information Studies<br>
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On Feb 14, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Dave Walden <<a href="mailto:dave.walden.family@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.walden.family@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p>The reporter is quite a good technology reporter, in my view; and I see the Globe as a pretty high quality newspaper. I suspect that the article was carefully reviewed by the Globe's legal people to cast doubt on Ayyadurai's claims without making
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<div><span>The most objectionable in this paper is the term "<em>skeptics</em>" ("The skeptics say that by the 1970s, e-mail as we know it today was routinely used"). We are not "<em>skeptic</em>", we know that S.A.'s
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