[SIGCIS-Members] Virtuality versus transprency -- trying to locate a quote about the difference

[Matthew Battles]

All this does have me wondering about the internet-and-society field's
interest in, and advocacy for, a certain kind of "transparency" in civil
discourse shares lineage with transparency in the comp-sci sense, to the
effect that transparency (in the sense of openness and publicness of
bureaucratic or deliberative decision-making process) is a quality that can
be produced and modified computationally. There is an ideological
disposition there to see government as a kind of social UTM upon which
different norms, beliefs, and commitments may be run like so many lines of
code...

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Nabeel Siddiqui <nasiddiqui at email.wm.edu>
wrote:

> Dear Tom,
>
> I believe this is from an old 1978 poster that IBM released dealing with
> virtual memory.  It is sometimes attributed to Scott Hammer, who worked at
> William and Mary before I got here as a graduate student.  Here is him
> explaining that this is the first time he saw it:
> http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q3/seeit.html
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Sincerely,
> Nabeel Siddiqui
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:02 AM, James Cortada <jcortada at umn.edu> wrote:
>
>> By the way, Mike is alive and well.  Mike can you pipe in and confirm.
>> This is a fabulous insight and expression.  It should be quoted frequently!!
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:24 AM, David Hemmendinger <hemmendd at union.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >I heard it from Mike Williams, when he had his professor of computer
>>> science hat on! Here's how he said it:
>>> >
>>> >If it is there, but you can't see it, it is transparent.
>>> >If it isn't there, but you see it, it is virtual.
>>> >If it is there, and you see it, it is real.
>>> >
>>> >For the purposes of symmetry, what if something is not there and you
>>> can't see it?
>>>
>>>         If it isn't there and you can't see it, you're ok.
>>>
>>>         David
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>>
>>
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