Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing
Hi all, Please forgive me if this message is inappropriate for the list. I am hoping some members will be interested in the following project. For the past year and a half I have been working on a team that is developing a documentary <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> on the history of personal computing. Our goal is to interview the very people who laid the foundations for personal computing while they are still with us, learning about their original visions and getting their take on the present. In this sense it is both an aspiring feature length documentary project but also an endeavor in oral history and posterity. Last fall we were able to shoot our first three interviews. We used these to make a short teaser <https://vimeo.com/429045920>, with the idea it could be used to raise funds for future rounds of interviews. That said, we are currently in the middle of a Kickstarter campaign <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> to get the second round funded. If you are interested in learning more, feel free to reach out to me directly and to visit the film's campaign site <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> and website <https://messagenotunderstood.com/>. Thanks! -- Eric
Hi Eric, Do you consider including the history of personal computing beyond North America – say, from Europe to Taiwan and the Soviet empire ? Best, Pierre De: "Eric Gade" <eric.gade@gmail.com> À: "members" <members@sigcis.org> Envoyé: Mardi 6 Octobre 2020 18:58:51 Objet: [SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing Hi all, Please forgive me if this message is inappropriate for the list. I am hoping some members will be interested in the following project. For the past year and a half I have been working on a team that is developing a [ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-unders... | documentary ] on the history of personal computing. Our goal is to interview the very people who laid the foundations for personal computing while they are still with us, learning about their original visions and getting their take on the present. In this sense it is both an aspiring feature length documentary project but also an endeavor in oral history and posterity. Last fall we were able to shoot our first three interviews. We used these to make a [ https://vimeo.com/429045920 | short teaser ] , with the idea it could be used to raise funds for future rounds of interviews. That said, we are currently in the middle of a [ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-unders... | Kickstarter campaign ] to get the second round funded. If you are interested in learning more, feel free to reach out to me directly and to visit the [ https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-unders... | film's campaign site ] and [ https://messagenotunderstood.com/ | website ] . Thanks! -- Eric _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
Pierre makes an excellent point. The PC was so inexpensive in comparison to other ICTs that it became the device that spread computing over large swaths of the Earth. So, while the Americans get the credit for inventing the PC, it was the Asians who did a great deal to diffuse the technology, especially Taiwan, and the PC played an extraordinary role in the Soviet Union/Russia from the very ate 1980s through the early 2000s--all stories that are not even superficially understood. Pierre is correct in being specific about Taiwan and the Soviet/Russian piece of the story. And that was all preceded by the French experience, which arguably predates the invention of the PC by many years with its phone system. Jim Cortada On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:38 AM Pierre Mounier-Kuhn <mounier@msh-paris.fr> wrote:
Hi Eric, Do you consider including the history of personal computing beyond North America – say, from Europe to Taiwan and the Soviet empire ? Best, Pierre
------------------------------ *De: *"Eric Gade" <eric.gade@gmail.com> *À: *"members" <members@sigcis.org> *Envoyé: *Mardi 6 Octobre 2020 18:58:51 *Objet: *[SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing
Hi all,
Please forgive me if this message is inappropriate for the list. I am hoping some members will be interested in the following project.
For the past year and a half I have been working on a team that is developing a documentary <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> on the history of personal computing. Our goal is to interview the very people who laid the foundations for personal computing while they are still with us, learning about their original visions and getting their take on the present. In this sense it is both an aspiring feature length documentary project but also an endeavor in oral history and posterity.
Last fall we were able to shoot our first three interviews. We used these to make a short teaser <https://vimeo.com/429045920>, with the idea it could be used to raise funds for future rounds of interviews. That said, we are currently in the middle of a Kickstarter campaign <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> to get the second round funded. If you are interested in learning more, feel free to reach out to me directly and to visit the film's campaign site <https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> and website <https://messagenotunderstood.com/>.
Thanks!
-- Eric
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Hi Pierre and James, On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:38 AM Pierre Mounier-Kuhn <mounier@msh-paris.fr>
wrote:
Hi Eric, Do you consider including the history of personal computing beyond North America – say, from Europe to Taiwan and the Soviet empire ? Best, Pierre
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:57 AM James Cortada <jcortada@umn.edu> wrote:
Pierre makes an excellent point. The PC was so inexpensive in comparison to other ICTs that it became the device that spread computing over large swaths of the Earth. So, while the Americans get the credit for inventing the PC, it was the Asians who did a great deal to diffuse the technology, especially Taiwan, and the PC played an extraordinary role in the Soviet Union/Russia from the very ate 1980s through the early 2000s--all stories that are not even superficially understood. Pierre is correct in being specific about Taiwan and the Soviet/Russian piece of the story. And that was all preceded by the French experience, which arguably predates the invention of the PC by many years with its phone system. Jim Cortada
We have not really considered Taiwan or the Soviet Union specifically, though we briefly discussed branching out to get a more international perspective. There are a lot of avenues I would personally like to explore, and that goes for my collaborators as well. The problem with making a documentary is one of constant resource constraint -- money, time, and for lack of a better term "narrative bandwidth." At the beginning of the year I had planned on embarking on a kind of "companion research effort" that is somewhat related to the documentary, but goes into more depth on several of the important threads that have come up so far (this has been somewhat derailed by COVID and other matters). At the outset of starting the documentary project, we were particularly interested in the transition from the research community into the "real world," -- what the visions were for computing on either side of that transition and how they changed. In particular we were intrigued by what I'd call the Kay/Papert thesis of computing as a literate medium and how this vision ultimately guided research efforts and found its way -- piecemeal -- into some of the systems we have today. This is difficult material to convey even in writing, let alone a documentary film. But our dozens of initial conversations and the first round of interviews did bring some of those themes out. I bring this up because I'm aware of work that has been done on this topic in an international context, specifically Margo Boenig-Liptsin's dissertation on comparative computing literacy programs in the US, France, and Soviet Union. To that end I am also interested in projects like Minitel and the pedagogical program around the BBC Micro. Any references either of you (or other members of this list) can provide along these lines would be much appreciated. However our own interests aren't the only guiding force directing the ultimate documentary narrative. We sort of have to follow where the interviews take us. I'm hoping that there will be some opportunity to include -- somehow -- more of an international angle, but can't say for sure. Again, part of this is due simply to having limited resources and time. My personal research interests mentioned above are a little different and involve a bigger picture deep history of literate media and computing's place within it. Definitely get in touch if you have any recommendations or interest in that as well. -- Eric
Hi You might consider looking at www.archivesit.org.uk<http://www.archivesit.org.uk> – here you will find oral interviews with many of the pioneers of computing, personal and otherwise, in the UK. I hope it might be useful to you. All the best Helen Helen Carter, Executive Assistant to Roger Graham – Chairman, Archives of IT Please Note: I am in the office on Thursday from 9.00am – 4.00pm T: +44 (0)1279 600 345 This e--mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of James Cortada Sent: 07 October 2020 13:57 To: Pierre Mounier-Kuhn <mounier@msh-paris.fr> Cc: members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing Pierre makes an excellent point. The PC was so inexpensive in comparison to other ICTs that it became the device that spread computing over large swaths of the Earth. So, while the Americans get the credit for inventing the PC, it was the Asians who did a great deal to diffuse the technology, especially Taiwan, and the PC played an extraordinary role in the Soviet Union/Russia from the very ate 1980s through the early 2000s--all stories that are not even superficially understood. Pierre is correct in being specific about Taiwan and the Soviet/Russian piece of the story. And that was all preceded by the French experience, which arguably predates the invention of the PC by many years with its phone system. Jim Cortada On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 3:38 AM Pierre Mounier-Kuhn <mounier@msh-paris.fr<mailto:mounier@msh-paris.fr>> wrote: Hi Eric, Do you consider including the history of personal computing beyond North America – say, from Europe to Taiwan and the Soviet empire ? Best, Pierre ________________________________ De: "Eric Gade" <eric.gade@gmail.com<mailto:eric.gade@gmail.com>> À: "members" <members@sigcis.org<mailto:members@sigcis.org>> Envoyé: Mardi 6 Octobre 2020 18:58:51 Objet: [SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing Hi all, Please forgive me if this message is inappropriate for the list. I am hoping some members will be interested in the following project. For the past year and a half I have been working on a team that is developing a documentary<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> on the history of personal computing. Our goal is to interview the very people who laid the foundations for personal computing while they are still with us, learning about their original visions and getting their take on the present. In this sense it is both an aspiring feature length documentary project but also an endeavor in oral history and posterity. Last fall we were able to shoot our first three interviews. We used these to make a short teaser<https://vimeo.com/429045920>, with the idea it could be used to raise funds for future rounds of interviews. That said, we are currently in the middle of a Kickstarter campaign<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> to get the second round funded. If you are interested in learning more, feel free to reach out to me directly and to visit the film's campaign site<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/messagenotunderstood/message-not-understood/> and website<https://messagenotunderstood.com/>. Thanks! -- Eric _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org<http://sigcis.org>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org<http://sigcis.org>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org -- James W. Cortada Senior Research Fellow Charles Babbage Institute University of Minnesota jcortada@umn.edu<mailto:jcortada@umn.edu> 608-274-6382
Hi Pierre, Thanks for asking this question! Hi Eric, if you do plan to include the history of personal computing beyond North America, may I point you to my paper on the history of personal computing in India, published in the Annals? (https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6880252) Regards, -Ramesh Technology Policy and National Identity: The Microcomputer Comes to India - IEEE Journals & Magazine<https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6880252> IEEE Xplore, delivering full text access to the world's highest quality technical literature in engineering and technology. | IEEE Xplore ieeexplore.ieee.org "...the greatest dissents do become court opinions and gradually over time their views become the dominant view. So that's the dissenter's hope: that they are writing not for today, but for tomorrow." - Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ramesh Subramanian, Ph.D. Gabriel Ferrucci Professor of Computer Information Systems Quinnipiac University Hamden, CT 06518. Email: ramesh.subramanian@quinnipiac.edu<mailto:ramesh.subramanian@quinnipiac.edu> Web: https://www.qu.edu/student-resources/directory/staff.23345.html & Fellow, Yale Law School - Information Society Project New Haven, CT 06511 Email: ramesh.subramanian@yale.edu<mailto:ramesh.subramanian@yale.edu> Web: https://www.law.yale.edu/ramesh-subramanian ________________________________ From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Pierre Mounier-Kuhn <mounier@msh-paris.fr> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 4:38 AM To: Eric Gade <eric.gade@gmail.com> Cc: members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing Hi Eric, Do you consider including the history of personal computing beyond North America – say, from Europe to Taiwan and the Soviet empire ? Best, Pierre ________________________________ De: "Eric Gade" <eric.gade@gmail.com> À: "members" <members@sigcis.org> Envoyé: Mardi 6 Octobre 2020 18:58:51 Objet: [SIGCIS-Members] Documentary Project on History of Personal Computing Hi all, Please forgive me if this message is inappropriate for the list. I am hoping some members will be interested in the following project. For the past year and a half I have been working on a team that is developing a documentary<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kickstarter.com%2Fprojects%2Fmessagenotunderstood%2Fmessage-not-understood%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cramesh.subramanian%40quinnipiac.edu%7C5fd0798de70d4bf06dc108d86a9c562d%7C0940985869fb4de9987990db22b52eaf%7C0%7C1%7C637376567008513738&sdata=I3gry7hLLrxADDOT%2FjsDJRlEassxDHYjhs8UbGeiass%3D&reserved=0> on the history of personal computing. Our goal is to interview the very people who laid the foundations for personal computing while they are still with us, learning about their original visions and getting their take on the present. In this sense it is both an aspiring feature length documentary project but also an endeavor in oral history and posterity. Last fall we were able to shoot our first three interviews. We used these to make a short teaser<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F429045920&data=02%7C01%7Cramesh.subramanian%40quinnipiac.edu%7C5fd0798de70d4bf06dc108d86a9c562d%7C0940985869fb4de9987990db22b52eaf%7C0%7C1%7C637376567008523734&sdata=93GSnBfxzC9hQZCnPju04z4CqLcPZleZ%2FhXeiXNGhEM%3D&reserved=0>, with the idea it could be used to raise funds for future rounds of interviews. That said, we are currently in the middle of a Kickstarter campaign<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kickstarter.com%2Fprojects%2Fmessagenotunderstood%2Fmessage-not-understood%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cramesh.subramanian%40quinnipiac.edu%7C5fd0798de70d4bf06dc108d86a9c562d%7C0940985869fb4de9987990db22b52eaf%7C0%7C1%7C637376567008523734&sdata=LUyPZCPC9SFhUN9IKIqy%2F%2FwshtmkfPXO2Ny6a4%2BMg1o%3D&reserved=0> to get the second round funded. If you are interested in learning more, feel free to reach out to me directly and to visit the film's campaign site<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kickstarter.com%2Fprojects%2Fmessagenotunderstood%2Fmessage-not-understood%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cramesh.subramanian%40quinnipiac.edu%7C5fd0798de70d4bf06dc108d86a9c562d%7C0940985869fb4de9987990db22b52eaf%7C0%7C1%7C637376567008533732&sdata=KCkxvQJflxYGKlXJAl83qg1G0ho8YGcbESi9rJrF%2FKs%3D&reserved=0> and website<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmessagenotunderstood.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cramesh.subramanian%40quinnipiac.edu%7C5fd0798de70d4bf06dc108d86a9c562d%7C0940985869fb4de9987990db22b52eaf%7C0%7C1%7C637376567008533732&sdata=YzibtZ9Fj9LDPTpdWyP6g3jyOIGGUXnGVPatpch7Qrs%3D&reserved=0>. Thanks! -- Eric _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Subramanian, Ramesh Prof.