Andy, I think back to Jennifer Light’s wonderfully inspiring talk for SIGCIS a few years ago, where she said something to the effect that there are roughly 400 computer historians in the world, divided into about five camps which deign to speak to each other.   I took that to be an invitation for amateur historians to join the fray, hence my little monograph “Preserving our Digital Revolution Heritage” (Lulu press--yeah, hardly pedigreed).  http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/charles-house/digital-revolution-heritage/pap... But I also came back to CHM (where I’ve been a Trustee for 27 years), and looked at what we DON’T have instead of what we DO have.  And was frankly shocked by the gaping open holes—local companies such as SPC, SGI, SUN, and even HP , not to mention Tandem, etc have next to no oral histories on file amongst our 800 or so in the collection.   And who selects those?  Historians, and advocates—not the companies.  So in that sense, Jennifer’s comments could be viewed alongside Tekla’s headline as complimentary thoughts rather than contradictory. We’ve immense tasks ahead of us…. Chuck From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Andrew Russell <arussell@arussell.org> Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 3:25 AM To: SIGCIS Listserver <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires Brian, thanks for sending this around and keeping this issue in view. Thanks also to Chuck for being vocal about it. The headline and framing of the Spectrum article bothers me, asserting that this is "a wake-up call for computer historians." We would be hard pressed to find any computer historians - or any historians, period - who don’t already know that more should be done to preserve and maintain records of all kinds (including corporate archives) and make them available to researchers. Len Shustek’s response yesterday underscores CHM’s considerable effort and investment in this area, and there are dozens and dozens of subscribers on this list who also do this kind of work (staff at CBI & Hagley jump to mind, but there are many others). This is as good a time as any to highlight David Kirsch’s work on this subject (through the examples of the Dot Com Archive and the Brobeck Closed Archive), nicely summarized in http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/series/pioneers/kirsch.html. Andy On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Brian Berg <brianberg@gmail.com> wrote: A thread I started on another listserver resulted in this story: Loss of Hewlett-Packard Archive a Wake-Up Call for Computer Historians Note the important comment from HP at the end of this story. Brian Berg On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com> wrote: I stand corrected, thanks From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Len Shustek <len@shustek.com> Date: Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM To: SIGCIS Listserver <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires At 02:32 PM 10/30/2017, Brian Berg wrote: Chuck House responded to me re: this sad news with: ... 5. Ironic, that the Computer History Museum here in town, never tried to get this archive That's not true. We had a good relationship over the years with the two main HP archivists, and offered many times to get more involved with their archive -- ranging from getting a copy of the catalog, to getting copies of documents, to taking it over. They declined our participation. We weren't as aggressive as perhaps we could have been because HP was one of the few companies (unlike many others I could name) who seemed to be taking the preservation of their history seriously, and they were putting resources into the effort. Clearly that wasn't enough. Len _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. 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Here is an updated story on this situation: Calif. Fires Destroy HP Archive Documents <https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332537&_mc=RSS_EET_EDT> The fire that swept through Sonoma County, California, consumed a truly significant piece of the test industry, electrical engineering, and American history. This story includes info that I have not seen elsewhere. However, a full description of what was lost, what wasn't lost, and where the various archives exist remains uncertain. This tragedy begs for some kind of worldwide accounting of the various archives that are and are not being preserved by various important companies and entities. That is a huge task, and certainly much of this info already exists in a scattered form. _________________________ Brian A. Berg / bberg@StanfordAlumni.org Berg Software Design 14500 Big Basin Way, Suite F, Saratoga, CA 95070 USA Voice: 408.741.5010 / Cell: 408.568.2505 Consulting: Flash Memory/USB/Storage/Patents visit the Storage Cornucopia: www.bswd.com FMS Technical Chair: www.FlashMemorySummit.com <http://www.flashmemorysummit.com/> IEEE Milestone <http://www.ieeeghn.org/wiki/index.php/Milestones:List_of_IEEE_Milestones> Coordinator for Region 6 <http://www.ieee-region6.org/> IEEE SCV Section <http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r6/scv/> Past Chair / IEEE-CNSV <http://www.californiaconsultants.org/> Board Director IEEE Silicon Valley Tech History Committee <http://www.siliconvalleyhistory.com/> Chair On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Matthew Kirschenbaum < mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote:

I was fortunate to be able to visit the Microsoft Archives about five years ago. They have their own internal facility, very well run, but not they are not set up to accommodate outsider researchers (or at least they weren't at the time).

I wonder if one role that CHM might play is as a kind of broker, maintaining records of contacts at different corporations and making introductions between scholars and corporate archivists as necessary. In my case, so much depended on the intervention of a couple of key individuals, neither of whom are still in place--so the fact is I have no practical advice to offer anyone who might be looking to duplicate that experience. But if CHM or some other entity could take steps to routinize such contacts, making them less dependent on who happens to know or have access to who, that would be a big assist. Best, Matt

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Andy, I think back to Jennifer Light’s wonderfully inspiring talk for SIGCIS a few years ago, where she said something to the effect that there are roughly 400 computer historians in the world, divided into about five camps which deign to speak to each other. I took that to be an invitation for amateur historians to join the fray, hence my little monograph “Preserving our Digital Revolution Heritage” (Lulu press--yeah, hardly pedigreed). http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/charles-house/digital-revolut ion-heritage/paperback/product-22378873.html

But I also came back to CHM (where I’ve been a Trustee for 27 years), and looked at what we DON’T have instead of what we DO have. And was frankly shocked by the gaping open holes—local companies such as SPC, SGI, SUN, and even HP , not to mention Tandem, etc have next to no oral histories on file amongst our 800 or so in the collection. And who selects those? Historians, and advocates—not the companies. So in that sense, Jennifer’s comments could be viewed alongside Tekla’s headline as complimentary thoughts rather than contradictory.

We’ve immense tasks ahead of us….

Chuck

*From: *Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Andrew Russell <arussell@arussell.org> *Date: *Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 3:25 AM

*To: *SIGCIS Listserver <members@sigcis.org> *Subject: *Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires

Brian, thanks for sending this around and keeping this issue in view. Thanks also to Chuck for being vocal about it.

The headline and framing of the Spectrum article bothers me, asserting that this is "a wake-up call for computer historians."

We would be hard pressed to find any computer historians - or any historians, period - who don’t already know that more should be done to preserve and maintain records of all kinds (including corporate archives) and make them available to researchers. Len Shustek’s response yesterday underscores CHM’s considerable effort and investment in this area, and there are dozens and dozens of subscribers on this list who also do this kind of work (staff at CBI & Hagley jump to mind, but there are many others).

This is as good a time as any to highlight David Kirsch’s work on this subject (through the examples of the Dot Com Archive and the Brobeck Closed Archive), nicely summarized in http://www.digitalpreservat ion.gov/series/pioneers/kirsch.html.

Andy

On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Brian Berg <brianberg@gmail.com> wrote:

A thread I started on another listserver resulted in this story:

*Loss of Hewlett-Packard Archive a Wake-Up Call for Computer Historians <https://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/tech-history/silicon-revolution/loss-of-hewlettpackard-archive-a-wakeup-call-for-computer-historians>*

Note the important comment from HP at the end of this story.

Brian Berg

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck House <housec1839@gmail.com> wrote:

I stand corrected, thanks

*From: *Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Len Shustek <len@shustek.com> *Date: *Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM *To: *SIGCIS Listserver <members@sigcis.org> *Subject: *Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires

At 02:32 PM 10/30/2017, Brian Berg wrote:

Chuck House responded to me re: this sad news with:

*...5. Ironic, that the Computer History Museum here in town, never tried to get this archive*

That's not true. We had a good relationship over the years with the two main HP archivists, and offered many times to get more involved with their archive -- ranging from getting a copy of the catalog, to getting copies of documents, to taking it over. They declined our participation.

We weren't as aggressive as perhaps we could have been because HP was one of the few companies (unlike many others I could name) who seemed to be taking the preservation of their history seriously, and they were putting resources into the effort. Clearly that wasn't enough.

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