Were any early computers completed on schedule?
Hello, For my ongoing project on ENIAC I've written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words "..although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers.". It's been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage's Difference Engine are well documented. I can always change "all" to "most" but this is now making me curious. Best wishes, Tom
It may not be the kind of machine you have in mind, Tom, but the British Amstrad CPC 464 micro of 1984 was finished on schedule. Remarkably, it was already in production at launch and shipped when Amstrad promised it would. Cheers, Tony Smith Features Editor The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk
Thomas Haigh <mailto:thaigh@computer.org> 13 January 2014 17:17
Hello,
For my ongoing project on ENIAC I've written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words "....although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers...".
It's been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage's Difference Engine are well documented.
I can always change "all" to "most" but this is now making me curious.
Best wishes,
Tom
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The first danish computer, the DASK, was finished before schedule. And with a few bucks to spare. Regards Per Vingaard Klüver <thaigh@computer.org> writes:
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It’s been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
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Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the � Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage’s Difference Engine are well documented.
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I can always change ”all” to “most” but this is now making me curious.
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Hi Tom: The first Colossus was built on the initiative of Tommy Flowers at the Post Office Research Station, and was completed in eleven months, becoming operational there in December 1943, before being moved to Bletchley Park where it was placed into service in early 1944. Soon after this he and his team were "asked" to make a dozen further machines, which were wanted by June 1944! This was plainly impossible, but Flowers undertook to try to get the first production, or Mark 2, Colossus ready by that date, and further ones ready at about one month intervals. (The Mark 2 Colossus machines involved a major redesign and through the use of parallelism were five times faster than the initial machine.) To quote my paper, at the 1976 Los Alamos conference on the History of Computing on Colossus: "By 31 May [the first Mark 2 Colossus] was nearly complete. Flowers, Broadhurst, Chandler, Coombs and Saville were all at Bletchley Park, but they could not get the machine to work. Eventually, in the early hours of 1 June, the others went home to get some sleep, leaving Chandler to work on, since the trouble was in the part he had redesigned. In his words, “The whole system was in a state of violent parasitic oscillation at a frequency outside the range of our oscilloscopes [and then] by way of diversion, at about 3.00 a.m. a nearby radiator started leaking, sending a pool of warm water towards the equipment!”. He eventually found a means of curing the problem and at nearly 4.00 a.m. left Norman Thurlow, one of the maintenance engineers, to finish the required rewiring. The others others arrived back at 8.30 a.m. to find that the machine was working. The deadline had been beaten – and it was just five days to D-day, 6 June 1944!" [http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/publications/books/papers/133.pdf] By the end of the war, at least ten Colossi were operational at Bletchley Park. So the answer to your question about Colossus is an emphatic "yes". Cheers Brian On 13 Jan 2014, at 17:17, Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hello,
For my ongoing project on ENIAC I’ve written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words “….although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers…“.
It’s been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage’s Difference Engine are well documented.
I can always change ”all” to “most” but this is now making me curious.
Best wishes,
Tom _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options athttp://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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Thanks, Brian. In America we would say that the Colossus is the Rodney Dangerfield of computers -- it does not get the respect it deserves. One issue that I have is that for most early computers (and complex technology in general), there was no such thing as being "finished" on a certain date. Perhaps with the exception of the Colossus, they all eased themselves into operation. So it is not clear when to assign a date of completion, as much as people want to do that. Paul E. Ceruzzi Chair, Division of Space History National Air & Space Museum MRC 311; PO Box 37012 Washington, DC 20013-7012 202-633-2414 <http://www.nasm.si.edu/staffDetail.cfm?staffID=24> -----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 6:06 AM To: thaigh@computer.org Cc: <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Were any early computers completed on schedule? Hi Tom: The first Colossus was built on the initiative of Tommy Flowers at the Post Office Research Station, and was completed in eleven months, becoming operational there in December 1943, before being moved to Bletchley Park where it was placed into service in early 1944. Soon after this he and his team were "asked" to make a dozen further machines, which were wanted by June 1944! This was plainly impossible, but Flowers undertook to try to get the first production, or Mark 2, Colossus ready by that date, and further ones ready at about one month intervals. (The Mark 2 Colossus machines involved a major redesign and through the use of parallelism were five times faster than the initial machine.) To quote my paper, at the 1976 Los Alamos conference on the History of Computing on Colossus: "By 31 May [the first Mark 2 Colossus] was nearly complete. Flowers, Broadhurst, Chandler, Coombs and Saville were all at Bletchley Park, but they could not get the machine to work. Eventually, in the early hours of 1 June, the others went home to get some sleep, leaving Chandler to work on, since the trouble was in the part he had redesigned. In his words, "The whole system was in a state of violent parasitic oscillation at a frequency outside the range of our oscilloscopes [and then] by way of diversion, at about 3.00 a.m. a nearby radiator started leaking, sending a pool of warm water towards the equipment!". He eventually found a means of curing the problem and at nearly 4.00 a.m. left Norman Thurlow, one of the maintenance engineers, to finish the required rewiring. The others others arrived back at 8.30 a.m. to find that the machine was working. The deadline had been beaten - and it was just five days to D-day, 6 June 1944!" [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/publications/books/papers/133.pdf&k=diZKtJPqj4jWksRIF4bjkw%3D%3D%0A&r=iEx95BOSDrL1SbShZgBAew%3D%3D%0A&m=tfHMe3JuD9T32JpBQY0J1zbPYDidGqKq6g8doPfgbqs%3D%0A&s=50ad56df86049bc505ab2fa438adf88a8bbc98d2fa7a830b33f8a8d0f4d832a3] By the end of the war, at least ten Colossi were operational at Bletchley Park. So the answer to your question about Colossus is an emphatic "yes". Cheers Brian On 13 Jan 2014, at 17:17, Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hello,
For my ongoing project on ENIAC I've written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words "..although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers.".
It's been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage's Difference Engine are well documented.
I can always change "all" to "most" but this is now making me curious.
Best wishes,
Tom _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/&k=diZKtJPqj4jWksRIF4bjkw%3D%3D%0A&r=iEx95BOSDrL1SbShZgBAew%3D%3D%0A&m=tfHMe3JuD9T32JpBQY0J1zbPYDidGqKq6g8doPfgbqs%3D%0A&s=f690d2acf540987161177494b600f31f714a1e9c56325a0d9a5bff580c659217 and you can change your subscription options athttp://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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Hi Paul: Nice to hear from you - though your comment about "Rodney Dangerfield" sent me to Wikipedia for clarification :-) Incidentally, next month, on Feb 5, there will be a celebration at The National Museum of Computing, at Bletchley Park, of the 70th anniversary of Colossus attacking its first encrypted message. In the presence of Colossus and Tunny veterans, the Colossus Rebuild that was constructed by a team led by the late Tony Sale <http://www.tnmoc.org/special-projects/colossus-rebuild/rebuilding-colossus> will be used in a re-enactment of the code-breaking process "from intercept to decrypt". Cheers Brian On 14 Jan 2014, at 14:01, "Ceruzzi, Paul" <CeruzziP@si.edu> wrote:
Thanks, Brian. In America we would say that the Colossus is the Rodney Dangerfield of computers -- it does not get the respect it deserves.
One issue that I have is that for most early computers (and complex technology in general), there was no such thing as being "finished" on a certain date. Perhaps with the exception of the Colossus, they all eased themselves into operation. So it is not clear when to assign a date of completion, as much as people want to do that.
Paul E. Ceruzzi Chair, Division of Space History National Air & Space Museum MRC 311; PO Box 37012 Washington, DC 20013-7012 202-633-2414 <http://www.nasm.si.edu/staffDetail.cfm?staffID=24>
-----Original Message----- From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 6:06 AM To: thaigh@computer.org Cc: <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Were any early computers completed on schedule?
Hi Tom:
The first Colossus was built on the initiative of Tommy Flowers at the Post Office Research Station, and was completed in eleven months, becoming operational there in December 1943, before being moved to Bletchley Park where it was placed into service in early 1944. Soon after this he and his team were "asked" to make a dozen further machines, which were wanted by June 1944! This was plainly impossible, but Flowers undertook to try to get the first production, or Mark 2, Colossus ready by that date, and further ones ready at about one month intervals. (The Mark 2 Colossus machines involved a major redesign and through the use of parallelism were five times faster than the initial machine.)
To quote my paper, at the 1976 Los Alamos conference on the History of Computing on Colossus: "By 31 May [the first Mark 2 Colossus] was nearly complete. Flowers, Broadhurst, Chandler, Coombs and Saville were all at Bletchley Park, but they could not get the machine to work. Eventually, in the early hours of 1 June, the others went home to get some sleep, leaving Chandler to work on, since the trouble was in the part he had redesigned. In his words, "The whole system was in a state of violent parasitic oscillation at a frequency outside the range of our oscilloscopes [and then] by way of diversion, at about 3.00 a.m. a nearby radiator started leaking, sending a pool of warm water towards the equipment!". He eventually found a means of curing the problem and at nearly 4.00 a.m. left Norman Thurlow, one of the maintenance engineers, to finish the required rewiring. The others others arrived back at 8.30 a.m. to find that the machine was working. The deadline had been beaten - and it was just five days to D-day, 6 June 1944!" [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/publications/books/papers/133.pdf&k=diZKtJPqj4jWksRIF4bjkw%3D%3D%0A&r=iEx95BOSDrL1SbShZgBAew%3D%3D%0A&m=tfHMe3JuD9T32JpBQY0J1zbPYDidGqKq6g8doPfgbqs%3D%0A&s=50ad56df86049bc505ab2fa438adf88a8bbc98d2fa7a830b33f8a8d0f4d832a3]
By the end of the war, at least ten Colossi were operational at Bletchley Park.
So the answer to your question about Colossus is an emphatic "yes".
Cheers
Brian
On 13 Jan 2014, at 17:17, Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hello,
For my ongoing project on ENIAC I've written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words "..although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers.".
It's been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage's Difference Engine are well documented.
I can always change "all" to "most" but this is now making me curious.
Best wishes,
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Paul makes the correct point about when machines were "finished." Once companies start development projects to create new machines then we see deadlines set for getting the initial versions built, other deadlines for getting them tested and approved for general production, for public announcement of availability, and then targets set for "first customer shipments." So a typical commercial computer and or peripheral of any size after about 1955 may have 4+ general deadlines its developers/manufacturing divisions might have to meet. Since we are talking about thousands of machines over the course of many years, it is a tough question to answer how many made it. By definition, as Paul implies, early systems were one-of-a-kind exploratory experiment. He is also right about the Colossus, which despite heroic efforts by British historians to promote, its position in the history of computing is still a project underway. I think we are finally realizing how important it was, not just for its use in the war, but as an important medium for creating and diffusing knowledge about computing across both British computer builders and quickly too to American and other European computer builders. On either point, Colossus really was magnificent. Had its existence not been kept quiet for so long, we would have come to this recognition much earlier at the expense of ENIAC and other early machines. So the Rodney Dangerfield comment is correct--as that American comedian used to say at the start of each performance, "I get no respect." Cheers, Jim Cortada On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Brian Randell < brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Paul:
Nice to hear from you - though your comment about "Rodney Dangerfield" sent me to Wikipedia for clarification :-)
Incidentally, next month, on Feb 5, there will be a celebration at The National Museum of Computing, at Bletchley Park, of the 70th anniversary of Colossus attacking its first encrypted message. In the presence of Colossus and Tunny veterans, the Colossus Rebuild that was constructed by a team led by the late Tony Sale < http://www.tnmoc.org/special-projects/colossus-rebuild/rebuilding-colossus> will be used in a re-enactment of the code-breaking process "from intercept to decrypt".
Cheers
Brian
On 14 Jan 2014, at 14:01, "Ceruzzi, Paul" <CeruzziP@si.edu> wrote:
Thanks, Brian. In America we would say that the Colossus is the Rodney Dangerfield of computers -- it does not get the respect it deserves.
One issue that I have is that for most early computers (and complex technology in general), there was no such thing as being "finished" on a certain date. Perhaps with the exception of the Colossus, they all eased themselves into operation. So it is not clear when to assign a date of completion, as much as people want to do that.
Paul E. Ceruzzi Chair, Division of Space History National Air & Space Museum MRC 311; PO Box 37012 Washington, DC 20013-7012 202-633-2414 <http://www.nasm.si.edu/staffDetail.cfm?staffID=24>
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Hi Tom:
The first Colossus was built on the initiative of Tommy Flowers at the Post Office Research Station, and was completed in eleven months, becoming operational there in December 1943, before being moved to Bletchley Park where it was placed into service in early 1944. Soon after this he and his team were "asked" to make a dozen further machines, which were wanted by June 1944! This was plainly impossible, but Flowers undertook to try to get the first production, or Mark 2, Colossus ready by that date, and further ones ready at about one month intervals. (The Mark 2 Colossus machines involved a major redesign and through the use of parallelism were five times faster than the initial machine.)
To quote my paper, at the 1976 Los Alamos conference on the History of Computing on Colossus: "By 31 May [the first Mark 2 Colossus] was nearly complete. Flowers, Broadhurst, Chandler, Coombs and Saville were all at Bletchley Park, but they could not get the machine to work. Eventually, in the early hours of 1 June, the others went home to get some sleep, leaving Chandler to work on, since the trouble was in the part he had redesigned. In his words, "The whole system was in a state of violent parasitic oscillation at a frequency outside the range of our oscilloscopes [and then] by way of diversion, at about 3.00 a.m. a nearby radiator started leaking, sending a pool of warm water towards the equipment!". He eventually found a means of curing the problem and at nearly 4.00 a.m. left Norman Thurlow, one of the maintenance engineers, to finish the required rewiring. The others others arrived back at 8.30 a.m. to find that the machine was working. The deadline had been beaten - and it was just five days to D-day, 6 June 1944!" [ https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/publications/books/papers/133.pdf&k=diZKtJPqj4jWksRIF4bjkw%3D%3D%0A&r=iEx95BOSDrL1SbShZgBAew%3D%3D%0A&m=tfHMe3JuD9T32JpBQY0J1zbPYDidGqKq6g8doPfgbqs%3D%0A&s=50ad56df86049bc505ab2fa438adf88a8bbc98d2fa7a830b33f8a8d0f4d832a3 ]
By the end of the war, at least ten Colossi were operational at Bletchley Park.
So the answer to your question about Colossus is an emphatic "yes".
Cheers
Brian
On 13 Jan 2014, at 17:17, Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hello,
For my ongoing project on ENIAC I've written a sentence SEAC, another early computer, that includes the words "..although finished well behind schedule, like all early computers.".
It's been suggested to me that several Colossus computers were in fact finished on schedule. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also, are there any other examples of early digital computers of the 1940s or earlier reaching reliable operation more or less on the schedule promised to the people funding them? Delays to ENIAC, EDVAC, the IAS computer, ACE, Univac, the Manchester Mark 1, the Harvard Mark 1, and of course Babbage's Difference Engine are well documented.
I can always change "all" to "most" but this is now making me curious.
Best wishes,
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-- James W. Cortada Senior Research Fellow Charles Babbage Institute University of Minnesota jcortada@umn.edu 608-274-6382
Thanks to everyone for their answers on this topic. I will consider the honor of Colossus upheld, and change my "all" to "most." Congratulations also to EDSAC, and the CAB 1011 nominated by Pierre Mounier Kuhn, and to the DASK as suggested by Per Vingaard Klüver. Best wishes, Tom
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Brian Randell -
Ceruzzi, Paul -
James Cortada -
Per Vingaard Klüver -
Thomas Haigh -
Tony Smith