Restoraing computers....
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959). http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592 I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things… Dag -- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311 Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055 Twitter: @ComputerHistory
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959).
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592
I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things…
Dag
Everyone knows my perspective, but I'll state it anyway: 1. Restorations are very important. Historic computers are machines, not fine art. We need them running in order to truly understand them. 2. It's not enough to just restore these machines and have occasional demonstrations. The public should have regular access to them. It's fantastic that CHM restored the 1401 and the PDP-1 (I had the pleasure of playing Spacewar on it, against the guys who programmed that game at MIT), but what about restoring and making available the computers that regular people actually used? 3. The answer to #2 is: that's why my group here in NJ and Paul Allen's LCM both exist. It is also why we have events such as the Vintage Computer Festival series. Exotic mainframes are great (and we do those, too), but the public identifies more with a Commodore 64. 3A. Non-commercial plug for #3. :) The next VCF East is April 17-19 here at the InfoAge Science Center in New Jersey. vintage.org/2015/east/ ... come see * and use * computers from the 1960s-1980s.
Such restoration projects certainly serve to enhance the history of computer technology. Prototypes and archetypes are vital in any history. -Daniel Ferrell Home Acceptance Corporation (NMLS #1151715). 65 S. Outer Rd. P.O. Box 72 Benton, MO 63736
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:07:09 -0500 From: evan@snarc.net To: dspicer@computerhistory.org; members@sigcis.org Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Restoraing computers....
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959).
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592
I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things…
Dag
Everyone knows my perspective, but I'll state it anyway:
1. Restorations are very important. Historic computers are machines, not fine art. We need them running in order to truly understand them.
2. It's not enough to just restore these machines and have occasional demonstrations. The public should have regular access to them. It's fantastic that CHM restored the 1401 and the PDP-1 (I had the pleasure of playing Spacewar on it, against the guys who programmed that game at MIT), but what about restoring and making available the computers that regular people actually used?
3. The answer to #2 is: that's why my group here in NJ and Paul Allen's LCM both exist. It is also why we have events such as the Vintage Computer Festival series. Exotic mainframes are great (and we do those, too), but the public identifies more with a Commodore 64.
3A. Non-commercial plug for #3. :) The next VCF East is April 17-19 here at the InfoAge Science Center in New Jersey. vintage.org/2015/east/ ... come see * and use * computers from the 1960s-1980s. _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Hi Dag: Though I wouldn’t call them actual restorations, I think the Science Museum’s construction of Babbage’s No 2 Difference Engine, and the late Tony Sale’s of the Colossus Mk 2, were wonderful examples of what I understand is called “experimental archaeology”, up there with the Chateau de Guedelon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10440300), and as such of *unquestionable* value. Cheers Brian On 16 Jan 2015, at 19:09, Dag Spicer <dspicer@computerhistory.org> wrote:
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959).
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592
I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things…
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
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Dag’s email made me think of fascinating work in media archaeology, digital humanities, and related areas by scholars such as Matt Kirschenbaum (see his book _Mechanisms: New Media and the Forensic Imagination_), Lori Emerson (http://mediaarchaeologylab.com/ at CU-Boulder), Andreas Fickers (playing with ‘Experimental Media Archaeology’ at Univ. Luxembourg), and others. There are some clear differences between these scholars and the types of computer restoration projects mentioned below - for example, Kirschenbaum and Emerson are both in English Departments and link their work to cultural theory in ways that the Science Museum and Computer History Museum do not. But there are also some clear areas of overlapping interest, especially a deep appreciation for machines (and their ‘materiality’) and the value that comes from preserving and working closely with them. To respond to Dag’s question, I think this is an incredibly valuable area of work. There’s a lot more to say about this -- in part because it is linked to the discussion triggered by Tom Haigh’s recent CACM column on the “tears of Knuth” -- but I’ll restrict myself to two observations for now: - if we broaden the scope of inquiry from “computers” to “media technologies,” we will find many more areas of intersection between museum professionals and academics who identify not strictly as “computer historians” but instead as media historians, media scholars, etc. (scholars such as Mara Mills and Lisa Gitelman come to mind). Jen Light described some of this overlap in her SIGCIS keynote address in Dearborn, and I hope we’ll hear much more about this at future SIGCIS workshops. - I bet that antiquarians, hobbyists, and museum experts working with cars and trains have put a lot of thought into the value of restoration and the extent to which they interact with academics. This is familiar territory for SHOT members, to put it mildly. To put this another way: I wonder if Wolfgang Schivelbusch likes going to railroad museums, and if staff at those museums know about or appreciate his work? Cheers, Andy
On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Dag:
Though I wouldn’t call them actual restorations, I think the Science Museum’s construction of Babbage’s No 2 Difference Engine, and the late Tony Sale’s of the Colossus Mk 2, were wonderful examples of what I understand is called “experimental archaeology”, up there with the Chateau de Guedelon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10440300), and as such of *unquestionable* value.
Cheers
Brian
On 16 Jan 2015, at 19:09, Dag Spicer <dspicer@computerhistory.org> wrote:
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959).
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592
I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things…
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
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Dear all I've found the various discussions of computer restoration projects and visitor interpretation in recent days very useful. I'd be interested to hear from listmembers on a related question: For the collection following up on the Science Museum's recent "Interpreting the Information Age" conference, I'm currently working up a short paper on the problem of how to represent, to museum-goers and other general audiences, the history of computing machines which were *not* iconic, one-of-a-kind, or of obvious stand-out physical or technical interest -- in particular, mass-produced boxes and clone designs which were (often drearily) familiar to large user populations in their day, yet will nevertheless mean little to most people today without interpretation. My key question is how to make the machines not only intelligible, but interesting. Much of the answer I want to give revolves around the expected "look at how they were used", but I also want to give some attention to how to keep the nature of the machines in the picture. In particular, I'd be keen to hear people's experience of providing hands-on access to machines, in ways that are not possible for older, rarer and more valuable survivals (or, indeed, painstakingly engineered and authentic re-creations). There are, of course, quite a few museums and display collections internationally that include working models of representative machines -- I'm interested to hear of people's experiences of the practicalities, and in particular of interaction with audiences who *don't* remember the machines from "first time around". Please drop me an email if you would be happy to discuss. All best James On 18/01/2015 17:02, Andrew Russell wrote:
Dag’s email made me think of fascinating work in media archaeology, digital humanities, and related areas by scholars such as Matt Kirschenbaum (see his book _Mechanisms: New Media and the Forensic Imagination_), Lori Emerson (http://mediaarchaeologylab.com/ at CU-Boulder), Andreas Fickers (playing with ‘Experimental Media Archaeology’ at Univ. Luxembourg), and others.
There are some clear differences between these scholars and the types of computer restoration projects mentioned below - for example, Kirschenbaum and Emerson are both in English Departments and link their work to cultural theory in ways that the Science Museum and Computer History Museum do not. But there are also some clear areas of overlapping interest, especially a deep appreciation for machines (and their ‘materiality’) and the value that comes from preserving and working closely with them.
To respond to Dag’s question, I think this is an incredibly valuable area of work. There’s a lot more to say about this -- in part because it is linked to the discussion triggered by Tom Haigh’s recent CACM column on the “tears of Knuth” -- but I’ll restrict myself to two observations for now: - if we broaden the scope of inquiry from “computers” to “media technologies,” we will find many more areas of intersection between museum professionals and academics who identify not strictly as “computer historians” but instead as media historians, media scholars, etc. (scholars such as Mara Mills and Lisa Gitelman come to mind). Jen Light described some of this overlap in her SIGCIS keynote address in Dearborn, and I hope we’ll hear much more about this at future SIGCIS workshops. - I bet that antiquarians, hobbyists, and museum experts working with cars and trains have put a lot of thought into the value of restoration and the extent to which they interact with academics. This is familiar territory for SHOT members, to put it mildly. To put this another way: I wonder if Wolfgang Schivelbusch likes going to railroad museums, and if staff at those museums know about or appreciate his work?
Cheers,
Andy
On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Dag:
Though I wouldn’t call them actual restorations, I think the Science Museum’s construction of Babbage’s No 2 Difference Engine, and the late Tony Sale’s of the Colossus Mk 2, were wonderful examples of what I understand is called “experimental archaeology”, up there with the Chateau de Guedelon (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10440300), and as such of *unquestionable* value.
Cheers
Brian
On 16 Jan 2015, at 19:09, Dag Spicer <dspicer@computerhistory.org> wrote:
New piece today by the BBC on computer restorations, including the Computer History Museum’s IBM 1401 (1959).
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30546592
I’d be interested in hearing from SIGCIS members about their perception of the value of doing these kinds of things…
Dag
-- Dag Spicer Senior Curator Computer History Museum Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 1401 North Shoreline Boulevard Mountain View, CA 94043-1311
Tel: +1 650 810 1035 Fax: +1 650 810 1055
Twitter: @ComputerHistory
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Dear James, There was a conference in 2013 at the London Science Museum devoted to the question of "Making the history of computing relevant". A colleague, Helen Stuckey, gave a paper on behalf of some of the Play It Again team which I lead. This project is focused on the history and preservation needs of 1980s microcomputer games from Australia and New Zealand, so pretty much the mass market machines you are talking about. In considering the question of how to present the history of 80s micro games we have emphasised the role of popular memory, and -- through a web interface that we call the Popular Memory Archive -- asked the public to share their memories of particular games and computing generally. User reflections (and uploads) on what these computers mean and meant to them are often very animated and frequently much more entertaining than, say, museum didactics. We have a nice emerging collection of photos of computers in domestic interiors, also, dotted throughout the various parts of the site, with several at http://playitagainproject.org/contribute We see the fact that these machines weren't unique but mass produced and familiar to many as a plus, rather than a negative -- it means that many people remember them and can share their memories. The papers from the London conference were published by Springer/IFIP so I can't just put it online (another version is published in the ACM Digital Library at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2513570 which may be more accessible to those with library access). I'm also happy to make a copy of our paper available to anyone who's interested individually -- just email me off list. Regards, Melanie
Melanie's note reminds me that perhaps my keynote for her Born Digital Heritage conference last year is relevant: It was in large part to say that there is no single use case for repositories of computing collections. I focused on historians, re-enactors (given a computing context) and media archaeologists, but there will be more. It is important, with limited resources, that different institutions consider which use cases they wish to serve and allocate resources accordingly. I hope that means that in the aggregate we see many different kinds of projects - some restoration, some documentation, etc., some focused on Big Iron, others on consumer-grade computing, etc. Henry On 1/19/2015 10:54 PM, Melanie Swalwell wrote:
Dear James,
There was a conference in 2013 at the London Science Museum devoted to the question of "Making the history of computing relevant". A colleague, Helen Stuckey, gave a paper on behalf of some of the Play It Again team which I lead. This project is focused on the history and preservation needs of 1980s microcomputer games from Australia and New Zealand, so pretty much the mass market machines you are talking about. In considering the question of how to present the history of 80s micro games we have emphasised the role of popular memory, and -- through a web interface that we call the Popular Memory Archive -- asked the public to share their memories of particular games and computing generally. User reflections (and uploads) on what these computers mean and meant to them are often very animated and frequently much more entertaining than, say, museum didactics. We have a nice emerging collection of photos of computers in domestic interiors, also, dotted throughout the various parts of the site, with several at http://playitagainproject.org/contribute We see the fact that these machines weren't unique but mass produced and familiar to many as a plus, rather than a negative -- it means that many people remember them and can share their memories.
The papers from the London conference were published by Springer/IFIP so I can't just put it online (another version is published in the ACM Digital Library at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2513570 which may be more accessible to those with library access). I'm also happy to make a copy of our paper available to anyone who's interested individually -- just email me off list.
Regards,
Melanie
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James, Oops, forgot to say that the audio of my keynote is on Melanie's (et al.) Play It Again site. Henry On 1/19/2015 10:54 PM, Melanie Swalwell wrote:
Dear James,
There was a conference in 2013 at the London Science Museum devoted to the question of "Making the history of computing relevant". A colleague, Helen Stuckey, gave a paper on behalf of some of the Play It Again team which I lead. This project is focused on the history and preservation needs of 1980s microcomputer games from Australia and New Zealand, so pretty much the mass market machines you are talking about. In considering the question of how to present the history of 80s micro games we have emphasised the role of popular memory, and -- through a web interface that we call the Popular Memory Archive -- asked the public to share their memories of particular games and computing generally. User reflections (and uploads) on what these computers mean and meant to them are often very animated and frequently much more entertaining than, say, museum didactics. We have a nice emerging collection of photos of computers in domestic interiors, also, dotted throughout the various parts of the site, with several at http://playitagainproject.org/contribute We see the fact that these machines weren't unique but mass produced and familiar to many as a plus, rather than a negative -- it means that many people remember them and can share their memories.
The papers from the London conference were published by Springer/IFIP so I can't just put it online (another version is published in the ACM Digital Library at http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2513570 which may be more accessible to those with library access). I'm also happy to make a copy of our paper available to anyone who's interested individually -- just email me off list.
Regards,
Melanie
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