Issason, Acknowledgements, and Crowdsourcing
Hello everyone, I just came across Isaacson's Acknowledgements page, which gives an insight into how he could do a lot of reading yet still produce a book with so many glaring mistakes (at least in its treatment of ENIAC). He mentions interviewing about 50 famous and mostly tech-related people - the Bill Joys, Al Gores, and John Negropontes of the world. He mentions advice from some other people, mostly famous journalists. He mentions that "Raul Mehta at the University of Chicago and Danny Z. Wilson at Harvard read an early draft to fix and math or engineering mistakes." The other guy who read the whole draft and "made extensive comments" was Strobe Talbot of the Brookings Institute and former foreign policy official. Talbott provided some amazing comments, and Isaacson has "kept every set of his detailed notes as a testament to his wisdom and generosity." Isaacson also "crowdsourced" some parts of the book by posting them for comment on Medium, soliciting "comments and corrections from thousands of people I didn't know." These are now deleted, but apparently were the more recent parts - AOL, The Well, etc. He got hundreds of emails and found the process very useful. One notable absence from the list: anyone with specialist expertise in the history of computing. (John Hollar of the computer history museum is on the list as someone who gave advice, but Hollar's background is in the media business rather than history and he's the CEO rather than a curator). Isaacson mentions that he has used Talbott as a reader ever since his book on foreign policy, The Wise Men. Finding a subject matter expert to read that book was a good idea, but perhaps repeating the process in this new area would have been wise. Historians of computing are not hard to find, and Isaacson does make some use of the publications and oral histories produced by SIGCIS members. So it's interesting that he would take as his three main fact checkers a foreign policy insider, a high school prodigy (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/rahul-mehta/61/79b/86a unless there is some other Rahul Mehta connected to the U of Chicago), and a Harvard student journalist (http://www.thecrimson.com/writer/1209919/Daniel_Z._Wilson/). When even a guy who is writing a book full of old-school history of computing anecdotes about Babbage, Zuse, ENIAC, delay lines, who invented what, etc. doesn't think it's worth reaching out to us to anyone in the SIGCIS community to see if he got his facts straight that says something rather dispiriting about popular history, our collective success in winning recognition for our expertise, or both. Best wishes, Tom
Would it be worth having a "Media" or "Journalists" page on the SIGCIS website, with a prominent link from the home page? Yes, we already have a Member Directory with contact information, but given the disconnect we seem to have with the press, having a page directly addressed to them might help. (Exactly what we would put on the Media page is another question.) Speaking of media, there is a Grace Hopper documentary under way: see http://bornwithcuriosity.com/ I spoke with the producers and gave them instructions for joining SIGCIS. (I don't know if they have actually joined this list. If so, welcome!) They are interested both in Hopper's life and in the larger historical context in which she worked, especially with regard to gender roles. I copied their bios below. If you have done research in this area and they haven't already contacted you, I'd be happy to pass your name along, or you can use the contact form on the website. Since this is a film, the attribution choices are probably: speak on camera and get full attribution, or provide 'background' and get none (or perhaps your name somewhere in the end credits). As Jim Cortada notes, there is value in both. "Melissa Pierce is the Producer and Director of ‘Born with Curiosity’ and the award winning documentary ‘Life in Perpetual Beta‘. She also founded Chicago Women Developers (CWD), a non-profit organization that teaches women how to code. Marian Mangoubi is the Producer, Screenwriter and Researcher of ‘Born with Curiosity’. Prior to this, she has served in various roles while working on film/television/web series productions. She has also spent time working as a digital marketer." Janet On Oct 7, 2014, at 6:20 00PM, Thomas Haigh wrote:
When even a guy who is writing a book full of old-school history of computing anecdotes about Babbage, Zuse, ENIAC, delay lines, who invented what, etc. doesn’t think it’s worth reaching out to us to anyone in the SIGCIS community to see if he got his facts straight that says something rather dispiriting about popular history, our collective success in winning recognition for our expertise, or both.
Would it be worth having a "Media" or "Journalists" page on the SIGCIS website, with a prominent link from the home page? Yes, we already have a Member Directory with contact information, but given the disconnect we seem to have with the press, having a page directly addressed to them might help. (Exactly what we would put on the Media page is another question.)
Yes. I volunteer to work on that. Sounds like we need better SEO.
I think this is a great idea. Ideally, our university PR departments would direct media requests our way, but I think having some sort of topic directory based on the member directory would make a lot of sense. On Oct 8, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@snarc.net> wrote:
Would it be worth having a "Media" or "Journalists" page on the SIGCIS website, with a prominent link from the home page? Yes, we already have a Member Directory with contact information, but given the disconnect we seem to have with the press, having a page directly addressed to them might help. (Exactly what we would put on the Media page is another question.)
Yes.
I volunteer to work on that.
Sounds like we need better SEO. _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options at http://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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I agree that a media page is a very good idea, and am happy to help. I’ve gone to a number of workshops for academics working with the media over the years…it’s a common challenge in most fields. Rebecca Slayton Assistant Professor, Cornell University Department of Science & Technology Studies Judith Reppy Institute for Peace and Conflict Studies 334 Rockefeller Hall, Ithaca, NY 14853 From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:06 AM To: Janet Abbate; Sigcis; Thomas Haigh Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Issason, Acknowledgements, and Crowdsourcing
Would it be worth having a "Media" or "Journalists" page on the SIGCIS website, with a prominent link from the home page? Yes, we already have a Member Directory with contact information, but given the disconnect we seem to have with the press, having a page directly addressed to them might help. (Exactly what we would put on the Media page is another question.)
Yes. I volunteer to work on that. Sounds like we need better SEO.
So then it's Rebecca and I -- more specific input would help. Suggestion: anyone who wants to help with the media page could email me, and then I'll set up a conference call later this month.
Tom, this is a nice piece of research re Isaacson’s sources. Sheds some serious light on the subject. Other ‘popular historians’ — Mike Malone in Silicon Valley calls himself Silicon Valley’s chief historian — suffer some of the same problems. Malone’s Intel Trinity, recently published, borrows heavily from Leslie Berlin’s work (he does cite her extensively), but otherwise does a very uneven job mostly based on the folk he interviewed who are described in the book—no serious historian of science to my knowledge was consulted, and certainly no serious student of Intel. The Jobs book by Isaacson didn’t pass muster with most of the Apple folk I know—which means hundreds of folk ‘who were there’ found it wanting in factual detail, while it was great on Steve’s view of the world. My wife, though, who was at Apple and bitterly complained about the inaccuracies of the book when she read it, also complained to me when I complained. Her view is that it got read, and the earlier works did not, and she is proud enough of Apple that she’d like more folk to appreciate the company. I just think, though, that for such an important company, the historical record should be factual. I also am mindful of how hard it was for my co-author and I to write the HP book, and get ‘objective’ viewpoints. And the errors we now have accumulated as a result of reader feedback are sobering, to someone who usually thinks of himself as pretty careful. Chuck On Oct 7, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Thomas Haigh <thaigh@computer.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I just came across Isaacson’s Acknowledgements page, which gives an insight into how he could do a lot of reading yet still produce a book with so many glaring mistakes (at least in its treatment of ENIAC).
He mentions interviewing about 50 famous and mostly tech-related people – the Bill Joys, Al Gores, and John Negropontes of the world. He mentions advice from some other people, mostly famous journalists. He mentions that “Raul Mehta at the University of Chicago and Danny Z. Wilson at Harvard read an early draft to fix and math or engineering mistakes.” The other guy who read the whole draft and “made extensive comments” was Strobe Talbot of the Brookings Institute and former foreign policy official. Talbott provided some amazing comments, and Isaacson has “kept every set of his detailed notes as a testament to his wisdom and generosity.”
Isaacson also “crowdsourced” some parts of the book by posting them for comment on Medium, soliciting “comments and corrections from thousands of people I didn’t know.” These are now deleted, but apparently were the more recent parts – AOL, The Well, etc. He got hundreds of emails and found the process very useful.
One notable absence from the list: anyone with specialist expertise in the history of computing. (John Hollar of the computer history museum is on the list as someone who gave advice, but Hollar’s background is in the media business rather than history and he’s the CEO rather than a curator). Isaacson mentions that he has used Talbott as a reader ever since his book on foreign policy, The Wise Men. Finding a subject matter expert to read that book was a good idea, but perhaps repeating the process in this new area would have been wise.
Historians of computing are not hard to find, and Isaacson does make some use of the publications and oral histories produced by SIGCIS members. So it’s interesting that he would take as his three main fact checkers a foreign policy insider, a high school prodigy (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/rahul-mehta/61/79b/86a unless there is some other Rahul Mehta connected to the U of Chicago), and a Harvard student journalist (http://www.thecrimson.com/writer/1209919/Daniel_Z._Wilson/).
When even a guy who is writing a book full of old-school history of computing anecdotes about Babbage, Zuse, ENIAC, delay lines, who invented what, etc. doesn’t think it’s worth reaching out to us to anyone in the SIGCIS community to see if he got his facts straight that says something rather dispiriting about popular history, our collective success in winning recognition for our expertise, or both.
Best wishes,
Tom _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://sigcis.org/pipermail/members/ and you can change your subscription options athttp://sigcis.org/mailman/listinfo/members
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