Hello everyone, My coauthors and I are currently working on a project measuring the impact of Bitnet on academic patenting. After the adoption of Bitnet by a university between 1981 and 1990, we find a substantial increase in patenting by university-affiliated researchers. We are now wondering why this is the case. Reading about Bitnet, we came across the fact that email lists were an especially popular item. We think it would be fascinating to know the content of these email lists. Do you happen to know whether data on these email lists exists and is available somewhere? Also, do you know whether some archives of listserves or discussion groups exist where users discussed for what they used Bitnet and what challenges they faced? Any thoughts and hints are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance. Kathrin _________________________________ Kathrin Wernsdorf Doctoral Student and Junior Research Fellow Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition Marstallplatz 1 80539 München kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de<mailto:kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de> www.ip.mpg.de<http://www.ip.mpg.de/>
Kathrin Bitnet had an early variant of the of the listserve program developed by a student at the Ecole Politechnique in Paris. The program ran on IBM mainframes. It spread rapidly across the net though only a couple of dozen sites had large number of lists. Most of the lists dealt with network management. A number deal with with the usual techie hobbies. A few took the Apranet lists and redistributed them. (And you might want to look there in terms of chasing patent ideas. Arpanet/CSnet/NSFNet were far more technically inclined than the Bitnet community. In fact they advertised themselves as" the network for everybody else.”). A few of the list serves have been archived but they tended to be abandoned as schools switched their primary servers from 370 architecture machines ro unix machines. It is attached I did an article on bitnet and the list serves in the Annals 20 years ago. It is attached if it may be of use. David
On Aug 25, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Wernsdorf Kathrin <kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de> wrote:
Hello everyone,
My coauthors and I are currently working on a project measuring the impact of Bitnet on academic patenting. After the adoption of Bitnet by a university between 1981 and 1990, we find a substantial increase in patenting by university-affiliated researchers. We are now wondering why this is the case.
Reading about Bitnet, we came across the fact that email lists were an especially popular item. We think it would be fascinating to know the content of these email lists. Do you happen to know whether data on these email lists exists and is available somewhere? Also, do you know whether some archives of listserves or discussion groups exist where users discussed for what they used Bitnet and what challenges they faced?
Any thoughts and hints are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance.
Kathrin _________________________________
Kathrin Wernsdorf
Doctoral Student and Junior Research Fellow
Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition
Marstallplatz 1
80539 München
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Hello In the course of my research on the history of international business information systems I came across this article about the history of BITNET in Singapore: http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/bitnet4.htm It describes setting up BITNET at the National University of Singapore in 1987 And it even provides a copy of the first message sent with BITNET to the National University of Singapore: http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/email2.htm Unfortunately it is not immediately useful for my research (to my knowledge BITNET was not used for business communication?) but I hope you and your colleagues find it interesting. Best, Ulysses Pascal PhD Candidate Information Studies, UCLA automatedfutures.net On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:22 AM David Grier <grier@email.gwu.edu> wrote:
Kathrin Bitnet had an early variant of the of the listserve program developed by a student at the Ecole Politechnique in Paris. The program ran on IBM mainframes. It spread rapidly across the net though only a couple of dozen sites had large number of lists. Most of the lists dealt with network management. A number deal with with the usual techie hobbies. A few took the Apranet lists and redistributed them. (And you might want to look there in terms of chasing patent ideas. Arpanet/CSnet/NSFNet were far more technically inclined than the Bitnet community. In fact they advertised themselves as" the network for everybody else.”).
A few of the list serves have been archived but they tended to be abandoned as schools switched their primary servers from 370 architecture machines ro unix machines. It is attached
I did an article on bitnet and the list serves in the Annals 20 years ago. It is attached if it may be of use.
David
On Aug 25, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Wernsdorf Kathrin < kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de> wrote:
Hello everyone,
My coauthors and I are currently working on a project measuring the impact of Bitnet on academic patenting. After the adoption of Bitnet by a university between 1981 and 1990, we find a substantial increase in patenting by university-affiliated researchers. We are now wondering why this is the case.
Reading about Bitnet, we came across the fact that email lists were an especially popular item. We think it would be fascinating to know the content of these email lists. Do you happen to know whether data on these email lists exists and is available somewhere? Also, do you know whether some archives of listserves or discussion groups exist where users discussed for what they used Bitnet and what challenges they faced?
Any thoughts and hints are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance.
Kathrin
_________________________________
Kathrin Wernsdorf
Doctoral Student and Junior Research Fellow
Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition
Marstallplatz 1
80539 München
kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de
www.ip.mpg.de
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Ulysses Just as a comment to confirm your hunch. You are correct. Bitnet was not (knowingly) used for business as the Bylaws of the network precluded it being used for business purposes. David
On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:02 PM, ULYSSES PASCAL <upascal@ucla.edu> wrote:
Hello
In the course of my research on the history of international business information systems I came across this article about the history of BITNET in Singapore: http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/bitnet4.htm <http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/bitnet4.htm> It describes setting up BITNET at the National University of Singapore in 1987 And it even provides a copy of the first message sent with BITNET to the National University of Singapore: http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/email2.htm <http://phyweb.physics.nus.edu.sg/~phytanb/email2.htm> Unfortunately it is not immediately useful for my research (to my knowledge BITNET was not used for business communication?) but I hope you and your colleagues find it interesting.
Best, Ulysses Pascal PhD Candidate Information Studies, UCLA automatedfutures.net <http://automatedfutures.net/>
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:22 AM David Grier <grier@email.gwu.edu <mailto:grier@email.gwu.edu>> wrote: Kathrin Bitnet had an early variant of the of the listserve program developed by a student at the Ecole Politechnique in Paris. The program ran on IBM mainframes. It spread rapidly across the net though only a couple of dozen sites had large number of lists. Most of the lists dealt with network management. A number deal with with the usual techie hobbies. A few took the Apranet lists and redistributed them. (And you might want to look there in terms of chasing patent ideas. Arpanet/CSnet/NSFNet were far more technically inclined than the Bitnet community. In fact they advertised themselves as" the network for everybody else.”).
A few of the list serves have been archived but they tended to be abandoned as schools switched their primary servers from 370 architecture machines ro unix machines. It is attached
I did an article on bitnet and the list serves in the Annals 20 years ago. It is attached if it may be of use.
David
On Aug 25, 2020, at 12:07 PM, Wernsdorf Kathrin <kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de <mailto:kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de>> wrote:
Hello everyone,
My coauthors and I are currently working on a project measuring the impact of Bitnet on academic patenting. After the adoption of Bitnet by a university between 1981 and 1990, we find a substantial increase in patenting by university-affiliated researchers. We are now wondering why this is the case.
Reading about Bitnet, we came across the fact that email lists were an especially popular item. We think it would be fascinating to know the content of these email lists. Do you happen to know whether data on these email lists exists and is available somewhere? Also, do you know whether some archives of listserves or discussion groups exist where users discussed for what they used Bitnet and what challenges they faced?
Any thoughts and hints are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance.
Kathrin
_________________________________
Kathrin Wernsdorf
Doctoral Student and Junior Research Fellow
Max Planck Institute for Innovation and Competition
Marstallplatz 1
80539 München
kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de <mailto:kathrin.wernsdorf@ip.mpg.de> www.ip.mpg.de <http://www.ip.mpg.de/>
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