faxing, covid, and printout v faxing confusion
At the risk of self-promotion, this might be of interest, if only to note the photo with a computer printout and not faxed sheets - I pointed out the error to the author https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th... Stay sane and keep wearing a mask (partially for you; more for others), Jonathan Jonathan Coopersmith Professor Department of History Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-4236 979.739.4708 (cell) 979.862.4314 (fax) Voting challenges: https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure... Preserving space archives: https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/ International standards battles: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terri... <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terrible-idea-for-standards-setting__;!!KwNVnqRv!R4dbJx9DOnSkoiNAwXjHq9sp5vMvdGEVtOMlWJUc6AH7iQiRA7bw1VEUYeo6i2St9sgf$> *FAXED. The Rise and Fall of the Fax Machine* (Johns Hopkins University Press)
thanks, this was a darkly amusing article. i'm teaching a technology-and-society freshman seminar this semester (digitalquandary.org) and in open discussion last week a student asked about how healthcare is often the last major sector to adopt IT innovation. the article is an excellent example of that and i'll pass it along, even though these students were born well after the decline of fax. btw - i read jonathan's "Faxed" book last year and it was great and highly informative - definitely a worthwhile addition to my bookshelf of tech history. definitely recommended! Armando Fox (he, él, il, lui) Professor, Computer Science Division • Faculty Advisor, Digital Learning Strategy Associate Dean for Online Education, Division of Computing, Data Science & Society CS Diversity Officer, College of Engineering Equity Council, Campus Equity Advisor 390 Soda Hall MC#1776, Berkeley, CA, 94720-1776 • +1.510.642.6820 / http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox> • PGP/GPG key ID: 0x9AD0E747 ----- Washing your hands after being around others is a personal choice. Getting vaccinated is a choice to be socially responsible.
On Sep 23, 2021, at 08:27, Jonathan Coopersmith <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu> wrote:
At the risk of self-promotion, this might be of interest, if only to note the photo with a computer printout and not faxed sheets - I pointed out the error to the author
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th... <https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-the-end-of-the-fax-machine>
Stay sane and keep wearing a mask (partially for you; more for others),
Jonathan
Jonathan Coopersmith Professor Department of History Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-4236 979.739.4708 (cell) 979.862.4314 (fax)
Voting challenges: https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure... <https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure-voting/article_4c35a332-e42c-11eb-b0d8-534c59b58ebe.html>
Preserving space archives: https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/ <https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/>
International standards battles: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terri... <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terrible-idea-for-standards-setting__;!!KwNVnqRv!R4dbJx9DOnSkoiNAwXjHq9sp5vMvdGEVtOMlWJUc6AH7iQiRA7bw1VEUYeo6i2St9sgf$>
FAXED. The Rise and Fall of the Fax Machine (Johns Hopkins University Press)
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RFC 2542 - Terminology and Goals for Internet Fax (ietf.org) <https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2542> In 1999, this was an attempt to describe what fax was and why anyone on the internet would care (or not). These days, you can hold a piece of paper to your camera in a zoom call. -- <https://LarryMasinter.net> https://LarryMasinter.net <https://interlisp.org> https://interlisp.org From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Armando Fox Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 8:49 AM To: Jonathan Coopersmith <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu> Cc: SIGCIS <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] faxing, covid, and printout v faxing confusion thanks, this was a darkly amusing article. i'm teaching a technology-and-society freshman seminar this semester (digitalquandary.org <http://digitalquandary.org> ) and in open discussion last week a student asked about how healthcare is often the last major sector to adopt IT innovation. the article is an excellent example of that and i'll pass it along, even though these students were born well after the decline of fax. btw - i read jonathan's "Faxed" book last year and it was great and highly informative - definitely a worthwhile addition to my bookshelf of tech history. definitely recommended! Armando Fox (he, él, il, lui) Professor, Computer Science Division • Faculty Advisor, Digital Learning Strategy Associate Dean for Online Education, Division of Computing, Data Science & Society CS Diversity Officer, College of Engineering Equity Council, Campus Equity Advisor 390 Soda Hall MC#1776, Berkeley, CA, 94720-1776 • +1.510.642.6820 / http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox • PGP/GPG key ID: 0x9AD0E747 ----- Washing your hands after being around others is a personal choice. Getting vaccinated is a choice to be socially responsible. On Sep 23, 2021, at 08:27, Jonathan Coopersmith <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu <mailto:j-coopersmith@tamu.edu> > wrote: At the risk of self-promotion, this might be of interest, if only to note the photo with a computer printout and not faxed sheets - I pointed out the error to the author https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th... Stay sane and keep wearing a mask (partially for you; more for others), Jonathan Jonathan Coopersmith Professor Department of History Texas A&M University College Station, TX 77843-4236 979.739.4708 (cell) 979.862.4314 (fax) Voting challenges: https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure... Preserving space archives: https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/ International standards battles: <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terrible-idea-for-standards-setting__;!!KwNVnqRv!R4dbJx9DOnSkoiNAwXjHq9sp5vMvdGEVtOMlWJUc6AH7iQiRA7bw1VEUYeo6i2St9sgf$> https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terri... FAXED. The Rise and Fall of the Fax Machine (Johns Hopkins University Press) _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org <http://sigcis.org> , the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org
RFC 2542 - Terminology and Goals for Internet Fax (ietf.org) <https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2542>
In 1999, this was an attempt to describe what fax was and why anyone on
Larry, Note the irony that you cited a document whose canonical version is a plain text file written in a typewriter-compatible font and suitable for printing on an obsolete type of printer such as a good old Diabolo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bodpSsFl8). The RFC system graduated to XML as its canonical format with HTML as the preferred rendering, but only in October 2019: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8651 . Regards Brian Carpenter On 24-Sep-21 05:37, Larry Masinter wrote: the internet would care (or not).
These days, you can hold a piece of paper to your camera in a zoom call.
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thanks, this was a darkly amusing article. i'm teaching a technology-and-society freshman seminar this semester (digitalquandary.org <http://digitalquandary.org>) and in open discussion last week a student asked
about how healthcare is often the last major sector to adopt IT innovation. the article is an excellent example of that and i'll pass it along, even though these students were born well after the decline of fax.
btw - i read jonathan's "Faxed" book last year and it was great and highly informative - definitely a worthwhile addition to my bookshelf of tech history. definitely recommended!
Armando Fox (he, él, il, lui) Professor, Computer Science Division • Faculty Advisor, Digital Learning Strategy
Associate Dean for Online Education, Division of Computing, Data Science & Society
CS Diversity Officer, College of Engineering Equity Council, Campus Equity Advisor 390 Soda Hall MC#1776, Berkeley, CA, 94720-1776 • +1.510.642.6820 / http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox> • PGP/GPG key ID: 0x9AD0E747
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Washing your hands after being around others is a personal choice.
Getting vaccinated is a choice to be socially responsible.
On Sep 23, 2021, at 08:27, Jonathan Coopersmith <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu <mailto:j-coopersmith@tamu.edu>> wrote:
At the risk of self-promotion, this might be of interest, if only to note the photo with a computer printout and not faxed sheets - I pointed out the error to the author
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th... <https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-the-end-of-the-fax-machine>
Stay sane and keep wearing a mask (partially for you; more for others),
Jonathan
Jonathan Coopersmith
Professor
Department of History
Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-4236
979.739.4708 (cell)
979.862.4314 (fax)
Voting challenges: https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure... <https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure-voting/article_4c35a332-e42c-11eb-b0d8-534c59b58ebe.html>
Preserving space archives: https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/ <https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/>
International standards battles: https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terri... <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terrible-idea-for-standards-setting__;!!KwNVnqRv!R4dbJx9DOnSkoiNAwXjHq9sp5vMvdGEVtOMlWJUc6AH7iQiRA7bw1VEUYeo6i2St9sgf$>
/FAXED. The Rise and Fall of the Fax Machine/ (Johns Hopkins University Press)
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Thank you everyone for this fascinating thread! I did not know about the histories and fate of the Internet Fax project and I am very grateful to know about this and the RFC 2542 document. All best and thanks, Johannah On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 7:03 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
Larry,
Note the irony that you cited a document whose canonical version is a plain text file written in a typewriter-compatible font and suitable for printing on an obsolete type of printer such as a good old Diabolo ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bodpSsFl8).
The RFC system graduated to XML as its canonical format with HTML as the preferred rendering, but only in October 2019: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8651 .
Regards Brian Carpenter
RFC 2542 - Terminology and Goals for Internet Fax (ietf.org) < https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2542>
In 1999, this was an attempt to describe what fax was and why anyone on
On 24-Sep-21 05:37, Larry Masinter wrote: the internet would care (or not).
These days, you can hold a piece of paper to your camera in a zoom call.
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*Armando Fox
*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2021 8:49 AM *To:* Jonathan Coopersmith <j-coopersmith@tamu.edu> *Cc:* SIGCIS <members@sigcis.org> *Subject:* Re: [SIGCIS-Members] faxing, covid, and printout v faxing confusion
thanks, this was a darkly amusing article. i'm teaching a technology-and-society freshman seminar this semester (digitalquandary.org <http://digitalquandary.org>) and in open discussion last week a student asked about how healthcare is often the last major sector to adopt IT innovation. the article is an excellent example of that and i'll pass it along, even though these students were born well after the decline of fax.
btw - i read jonathan's "Faxed" book last year and it was great and highly informative - definitely a worthwhile addition to my bookshelf of tech history. definitely recommended!
Armando Fox (he, él, il, lui) Professor, Computer Science Division • Faculty Advisor, Digital Learning Strategy
Associate Dean for Online Education, Division of Computing, Data Science & Society
CS Diversity Officer, College of Engineering Equity Council, Campus Equity Advisor 390 Soda Hall MC#1776, Berkeley, CA, 94720-1776 • +1.510.642.6820 / http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox <http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~fox> • PGP/GPG key ID: 0x9AD0E747
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Washing your hands after being around others is a personal choice.
Getting vaccinated is a choice to be socially responsible.
On Sep 23, 2021, at 08:27, Jonathan Coopersmith < j-coopersmith@tamu.edu <mailto:j-coopersmith@tamu.edu>> wrote:
At the risk of self-promotion, this might be of interest, if only to note the photo with a computer printout and not faxed sheets - I pointed out the error to the author
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th... < https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210903-how-covid-19-could-finally-be-th...
Stay sane and keep wearing a mask (partially for you; more for
others),
Jonathan
Jonathan Coopersmith
Professor
Department of History
Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-4236
979.739.4708 (cell)
979.862.4314 (fax)
Voting challenges:
https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure... < https://theeagle.com/opinion/columnists/texas-should-be-the-model-for-secure...
Preserving space archives: https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/ <
https://www.toboldlypreserve.space/>
International standards battles:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/history/lets-thwart-this-terri... < https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/geek-life/his...
/FAXED. The Rise and Fall of the Fax Machine/ (Johns Hopkins
University Press)
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Note the irony that you cited a document whose canonical version is a plain text file written in a typewriter-compatible font and suitable for printing on an obsolete type of printer ..
There is no irony. In any communication, there are senders and receivers, writers and readers. The senders/writers/publishers choose a medium for communication which their audience is highly likely to be able to receive, interpret and process. The timing of choice of format and protocol for any particular communication depends on the (perception of) the capabilities and preferences of the recipients. While readers of IETF specs might have been expected to be able to read HTML and PDF as well as (ASCII) text, there was resistance until other processing (like 'diff' tools) were also effective. Faxing stayed common until people could reliably send documents in the recipient's language in some other way. It's a matter of consumer cost of receivers. 😉 -- https://LarryMasinter.net https://interlisp.org
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