Hi: I've been trying to trace the origins of the oft-repeated pair of quotations: "Last week, Control Data ... announced the 6600 system. I understand that in the laboratory developing the system there are only 34 people including the janitor. Of these, 14 are engineers and 4 are programmers... Contrasting this modest effort with our vast development activities, I fail to understand why we have lost our industry leadership position by letting someone else offer the world's most powerful computer." - Thomas J Watson Jr "It seems like Mr. Watson has answered his own question." -- Seymour Cray's response to Thomas Watson. which I'd assumed were both apocryphal. In fact I find that Watson gives the first quotation himself in his book "Father, Son and Co: My Life at IBM and Beyond", saying that it was in a memo that he wrote to his "top men" on August 28, 1963. However, I've not been able to authenticate alleged Seymour Cray's alleged response - which I fear is too good to be true. Can anyone in fact validate it? Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell