may i suggest: sadie plant "zeros and ones“ all the best, mariann

On 18. Dec 2023, at 16:54, Brian Randell via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> wrote:

Hi Marcin:

Excellent - an embarrassing omission on my part.

Cheers

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On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:00 AM Brian Randell via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> wrote: Hi: We are planning to provide a permanent display in our School of Computing, in a prominent location that will be readily visible to our undergraduate students in particular, of published books on Women in Computing. The hope is that this might help to redress the imbalance in the students’ popular perception of computing pioneers as being an almost entirely male crew. I attach below a first list of contenders (other than Ada Lovelace) for space in this display – comments, both positive and negative, on this list will be welcome. (Ada Lovelace will of course be well-represented – however I’ve already had detailed advice on which of the plethora of works on Ada to include, so I’m keen to make sure that other worthy contenders for display space are not accidently omitted. At present it is undecided whether to include, and if so whether to have a separate set of books on, Women in Code-Breaking – see the presently-separate second list below, on which comments are also sought.) I’m looking for biographies, autobiographies, and good scholarly accounts on the contribution of women to the computing world, not books aimed at young school pupils. The plan is that copies of all the books on display will also be available for borrowing from the University Library. My apologies, especially to the authors, for any accidental egregious omissions from these lists! Season’s Greetings Brian Randell Books on Women in Computing (other than Ada Lovelace) Janet Abbate. Recoding Gender: Women's Changing Participation in Computing. (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Recoding-Gender-History-Computing-Abbate/dp/0262534... Crystal Bennes, Klara and the Bomb (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Klara-Bomb-Crystal-Bennes/dp/9492051826 Kurt W. W. Beyer. Grace Hopper and the Invention of the Information Age, (2012). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Information-Lemelson-Studies-Innovation/d... Claire L. Evans. Broad Band: The Untold Story of the Women Who Made the Internet, (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broad-Band-Untold-Story-Internet/dp/0593329449/ David Alan Grier. When Computers Were Human. (2007) https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Computers-Human-David-Grier/dp/0691133824 Kathy Kleiman. Proving Ground: The Untold Story of the Six Women Who Programmed the World’s First Modern Computer, (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proving-Ground-Untold-Programmed-Computer/dp/178738... Mark Jones Lorenzo. Everlasting Code: The Education of Grace Hopper and the History of COBOL, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everlasting-Code-Education-Business-Oriented-Langua... Richard Rhodes . Hedy's Folly: The Life and Breakthrough Inventions of Hedy Lamarr, the Most Beautiful Woman in the World. (@012) https://www.amazon.com/Hedys-Folly-Breakthrough-Inventions-Beautiful/dp/0307... Jon T Rickman and Kim D Todd. Pioneer Programmer: Jean Jennings Bartik & the Computer That Changed the World. (2013) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pioneer-Programmer-Jennings-Computer-Changed/dp/161... Carl J Schneider. Grace Murray Hopper: Working to create the future. (1998). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Title-Murray-Hopper-Working-create/dp/1571636064 Dame Stephanie Shirley. Let It Go: My Extraordinary Story - From Refugee to Entrepreneur to Philanthropist. (2019). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Let-Go-Extraordinary-Entrepreneur-Philanthropist/dp... Kathleen Broom Williams. Grace Hopper: Admiral of the Cyber Sea, (2013). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grace-Hopper-Admiral-Cyber-Sea/dp/1591149789 Books on Women in Code-Breaking Jason Fagone. The Woman Who Smashed Codes: A True Story of Love, Spies, and the Unlikely Heroine Who Outwitted America's Enemies (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0062430483/ Peter Hore. Bletchley Park's Secret Source: Churchill's Wrens and the Y Service in World War II, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bletchleys-Secret-Source-Wrens-Y-Service/dp/1784385... Liza Mundy. Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II. (2018). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Code-Girls-Untold-American-Breakers/dp/0316352543 Patricia Owtram and Jean Owtram. Codebreaking Sisters: Our Secret War. (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaking-Sisters-Our-Secret-War/dp/1913406059 Mair Russell-Jones and Gethin Russell-Jones. My Secret Life in Hut Six: One Woman's Experiences At Bletchley Park, (2014). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-Hut-Six-Experiences/dp/0745956645 Jan Slimming. Codebreaker Girls: A Secret Life at Bletchley Park. (2021) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaker-Girls-Secret-Life-Bletchley/dp/15267841... Jan Slimming. The Secret Life of an American Codebreaker: Codebreaker Girls. (2022) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-American-Codebreaker-Girls-ebook/dp/B09... Michael Smith. The Debs of Bletchley Park. (2015). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Debs-Bletchley-Park-Michael-Smith/dp/1781313881 Betty Webb and Kerry Howard. No More Secrets: My Part in Codebreaking at Bletchley Park and the Pentagon. (2023). https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-More-Secrets-Codebreaking-Bletchley/dp/B0C43L3MV... — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brianrandell.html _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. 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Mar makes some great points. Obviously, context is everything here but a good exhibit designer should help you achieve your goals without creating undesired new problems. I would add: Joy Buolamwini’s new book, Unmasking AI: My Mission to Protect What is Human in a World of Machines. Debbie Douglas Deborah G. Douglas, PhD • Senior Director of Collections and Curator of Science and Technology, MIT Museum; Research Associate, Program in Science, Technology, and Society • Room E28-320B • 314 Main Street • Gambrill Center • Cambridge, MA 02142 • ddouglas@mit.edu<mailto:ddouglas@mit.edu> • 617-253-1766 telephone • 617-253-8994 facsimile • http://mitmuseum.mit.edu • she/her/hers From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Hicks, Mar (avg5bd) via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> Date: Monday, December 18, 2023 at 1:07 PM To: Sigcis <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Books on Women in Computing Marcin—thank you very much for including me. Brian—I would mention: Shetterly, Hidden Figures Losse, The Boy Kings Broussard, Artificial Unintelligence Noble, Algorithms of Oppression Brock, Distributed Blackness Bartik, Pioneer Programmer (I also have a copy of my Women in Computing History course syllabus on my website.) One other thing I'll mention: I am very glad to see this initiative, but please also look into stereotype threat and be mindful of how a prominent display on "women in computing" can trigger stereotype threat for women already feeling marginalized in the School. If ignored, this could cause your display to backfire a bit in ways I am sure you don't want or intend. Many of us who teach these topics have to be careful not to inadvertently trigger stereotype threat while teaching. So I would suggest looking into methods for lessening the impact of stereotype threat as you design the final display. Happy to discuss more off-list if needed. I hope you send photos to the list once you have finished it! Best, Mar ________________________ Mar Hicks Associate Professor School of Data Science University of Virginia marhicks@virginia.edu marhicks.com<https://marhicks.com/> Research Affiliate, Centre for Democracy and Technology<https://www.mctd.ac.uk/>, University of Cambridge Member, Scholars' Council, Center for Critical Internet Inquiry<https://www.c2i2.ucla.edu/>, UCLA Associate Editor, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing<https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an> (feel free to ask me about submitting an article if you work on a topic related to computing history) Books: Programmed Inequality<https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/programmed-inequality>: How Britain Discarded Women Technologists and Lost Its Edge in Computing (MIT Press, 2017) Your Computer Is On Fire<https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/your-computer-fire> (MIT Press, 2021) ________________________________ From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of mariann via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 12:41 PM To: Sigcis <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Books on Women in Computing may i suggest: sadie plant "zeros and ones“ all the best, mariann

On 18. Dec 2023, at 16:54, Brian Randell via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> wrote:

Hi Marcin:

Excellent - an embarrassing omission on my part.

Cheers

Brian

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Mar Hicks. Programmed Inequality: How Britain Discarded Women Technologists and Lost Its Edge in Computing (History of Computing) (2018) https://www.amazon.com/Programmed-Inequality-Discarded-Technologists-Computi...

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:00 AM Brian Randell via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org> wrote: Hi: We are planning to provide a permanent display in our School of Computing, in a prominent location that will be readily visible to our undergraduate students in particular, of published books on Women in Computing. The hope is that this might help to redress the imbalance in the students’ popular perception of computing pioneers as being an almost entirely male crew. I attach below a first list of contenders (other than Ada Lovelace) for space in this display – comments, both positive and negative, on this list will be welcome. (Ada Lovelace will of course be well-represented – however I’ve already had detailed advice on which of the plethora of works on Ada to include, so I’m keen to make sure that other worthy contenders for display space are not accidently omitted. At present it is undecided whether to include, and if so whether to have a separate set of books on, Women in Code-Breaking – see the presently-separate second list below, on which comments are also sought.) I’m looking for biographies, autobiographies, and good scholarly accounts on the contribution of women to the computing world, not books aimed at young school pupils. The plan is that copies of all the books on display will also be available for borrowing from the University Library. My apologies, especially to the authors, for any accidental egregious omissions from these lists! Season’s Greetings Brian Randell Books on Women in Computing (other than Ada Lovelace) Janet Abbate. Recoding Gender: Women's Changing Participation in Computing. (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Recoding-Gender-History-Computing-Abbate/dp/0262534... Crystal Bennes, Klara and the Bomb (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Klara-Bomb-Crystal-Bennes/dp/9492051826 Kurt W. W. Beyer. Grace Hopper and the Invention of the Information Age, (2012). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Information-Lemelson-Studies-Innovation/d... Claire L. Evans. Broad Band: The Untold Story of the Women Who Made the Internet, (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broad-Band-Untold-Story-Internet/dp/0593329449/ David Alan Grier. When Computers Were Human. (2007) https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Computers-Human-David-Grier/dp/0691133824 Kathy Kleiman. Proving Ground: The Untold Story of the Six Women Who Programmed the World’s First Modern Computer, (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proving-Ground-Untold-Programmed-Computer/dp/178738... Mark Jones Lorenzo. Everlasting Code: The Education of Grace Hopper and the History of COBOL, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everlasting-Code-Education-Business-Oriented-Langua... Richard Rhodes . Hedy's Folly: The Life and Breakthrough Inventions of Hedy Lamarr, the Most Beautiful Woman in the World. (@012) https://www.amazon.com/Hedys-Folly-Breakthrough-Inventions-Beautiful/dp/0307... Jon T Rickman and Kim D Todd. Pioneer Programmer: Jean Jennings Bartik & the Computer That Changed the World. (2013) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pioneer-Programmer-Jennings-Computer-Changed/dp/161... Carl J Schneider. Grace Murray Hopper: Working to create the future. (1998). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Title-Murray-Hopper-Working-create/dp/1571636064 Dame Stephanie Shirley. Let It Go: My Extraordinary Story - From Refugee to Entrepreneur to Philanthropist. (2019). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Let-Go-Extraordinary-Entrepreneur-Philanthropist/dp... Kathleen Broom Williams. Grace Hopper: Admiral of the Cyber Sea, (2013). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grace-Hopper-Admiral-Cyber-Sea/dp/1591149789 Books on Women in Code-Breaking Jason Fagone. The Woman Who Smashed Codes: A True Story of Love, Spies, and the Unlikely Heroine Who Outwitted America's Enemies (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0062430483/ Peter Hore. Bletchley Park's Secret Source: Churchill's Wrens and the Y Service in World War II, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bletchleys-Secret-Source-Wrens-Y-Service/dp/1784385... Liza Mundy. Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II. (2018). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Code-Girls-Untold-American-Breakers/dp/0316352543 Patricia Owtram and Jean Owtram. Codebreaking Sisters: Our Secret War. (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaking-Sisters-Our-Secret-War/dp/1913406059 Mair Russell-Jones and Gethin Russell-Jones. My Secret Life in Hut Six: One Woman's Experiences At Bletchley Park, (2014). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-Hut-Six-Experiences/dp/0745956645 Jan Slimming. Codebreaker Girls: A Secret Life at Bletchley Park. (2021) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaker-Girls-Secret-Life-Bletchley/dp/15267841... Jan Slimming. The Secret Life of an American Codebreaker: Codebreaker Girls. (2022) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-American-Codebreaker-Girls-ebook/dp/B09... Michael Smith. The Debs of Bletchley Park. (2015). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Debs-Bletchley-Park-Michael-Smith/dp/1781313881 Betty Webb and Kerry Howard. No More Secrets: My Part in Codebreaking at Bletchley Park and the Pentagon. (2023). https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-More-Secrets-Codebreaking-Bletchley/dp/B0C43L3MV... — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brianrandell.html _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. 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On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 10:00 AM Brian Randell via Members <members@lists.sigcis.org<mailto:members@lists.sigcis.org>> wrote: Hi: We are planning to provide a permanent display in our School of Computing, in a prominent location that will be readily visible to our undergraduate students in particular, of published books on Women in Computing. The hope is that this might help to redress the imbalance in the students’ popular perception of computing pioneers as being an almost entirely male crew. I attach below a first list of contenders (other than Ada Lovelace) for space in this display – comments, both positive and negative, on this list will be welcome. (Ada Lovelace will of course be well-represented – however I’ve already had detailed advice on which of the plethora of works on Ada to include, so I’m keen to make sure that other worthy contenders for display space are not accidently omitted. At present it is undecided whether to include, and if so whether to have a separate set of books on, Women in Code-Breaking – see the presently-separate second list below, on which comments are also sought.) I’m looking for biographies, autobiographies, and good scholarly accounts on the contribution of women to the computing world, not books aimed at young school pupils. The plan is that copies of all the books on display will also be available for borrowing from the University Library. My apologies, especially to the authors, for any accidental egregious omissions from these lists! Season’s Greetings Brian Randell Books on Women in Computing (other than Ada Lovelace) Janet Abbate. Recoding Gender: Women's Changing Participation in Computing. (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Recoding-Gender-History-Computing-Abbate/dp/0262534... Crystal Bennes, Klara and the Bomb (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Klara-Bomb-Crystal-Bennes/dp/9492051826 Kurt W. W. Beyer. Grace Hopper and the Invention of the Information Age, (2012). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Information-Lemelson-Studies-Innovation/d... Claire L. Evans. Broad Band: The Untold Story of the Women Who Made the Internet, (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broad-Band-Untold-Story-Internet/dp/0593329449/ David Alan Grier. When Computers Were Human. (2007) https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Computers-Human-David-Grier/dp/0691133824 Kathy Kleiman. Proving Ground: The Untold Story of the Six Women Who Programmed the World’s First Modern Computer, (2022). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Proving-Ground-Untold-Programmed-Computer/dp/178738... Mark Jones Lorenzo. Everlasting Code: The Education of Grace Hopper and the History of COBOL, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everlasting-Code-Education-Business-Oriented-Langua... Richard Rhodes . Hedy's Folly: The Life and Breakthrough Inventions of Hedy Lamarr, the Most Beautiful Woman in the World. (@012) https://www.amazon.com/Hedys-Folly-Breakthrough-Inventions-Beautiful/dp/0307... Jon T Rickman and Kim D Todd. Pioneer Programmer: Jean Jennings Bartik & the Computer That Changed the World. (2013) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pioneer-Programmer-Jennings-Computer-Changed/dp/161... Carl J Schneider. Grace Murray Hopper: Working to create the future. (1998). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Title-Murray-Hopper-Working-create/dp/1571636064 Dame Stephanie Shirley. Let It Go: My Extraordinary Story - From Refugee to Entrepreneur to Philanthropist. (2019). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Let-Go-Extraordinary-Entrepreneur-Philanthropist/dp... Kathleen Broom Williams. Grace Hopper: Admiral of the Cyber Sea, (2013). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grace-Hopper-Admiral-Cyber-Sea/dp/1591149789 Books on Women in Code-Breaking Jason Fagone. The Woman Who Smashed Codes: A True Story of Love, Spies, and the Unlikely Heroine Who Outwitted America's Enemies (2017). https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0062430483/ Peter Hore. Bletchley Park's Secret Source: Churchill's Wrens and the Y Service in World War II, (2021). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bletchleys-Secret-Source-Wrens-Y-Service/dp/1784385... Liza Mundy. Code Girls: The Untold Story of the American Women Code Breakers of World War II. (2018). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Code-Girls-Untold-American-Breakers/dp/0316352543 Patricia Owtram and Jean Owtram. Codebreaking Sisters: Our Secret War. (2020). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaking-Sisters-Our-Secret-War/dp/1913406059 Mair Russell-Jones and Gethin Russell-Jones. My Secret Life in Hut Six: One Woman's Experiences At Bletchley Park, (2014). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-Hut-Six-Experiences/dp/0745956645 Jan Slimming. Codebreaker Girls: A Secret Life at Bletchley Park. (2021) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codebreaker-Girls-Secret-Life-Bletchley/dp/15267841... Jan Slimming. The Secret Life of an American Codebreaker: Codebreaker Girls. (2022) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Life-American-Codebreaker-Girls-ebook/dp/B09... Michael Smith. The Debs of Bletchley Park. (2015). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Debs-Bletchley-Park-Michael-Smith/dp/1781313881 Betty Webb and Kerry Howard. No More Secrets: My Part in Codebreaking at Bletchley Park and the Pentagon. (2023). https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-More-Secrets-Codebreaking-Bletchley/dp/B0C43L3MV... — School of Computing, Newcastle University, 1 Science Square, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE4 5TG EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brianrandell.html _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org<http://sigcis.org>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. 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