Origins of "archive" in computer science
Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net
Matthew May be newer than that. It’s not in the early IEEE glossaries and doesn’t appear in the professional literature (ACM, JCC or IEEE) until the mid 70s. It may date to the time when Codd’s ideas were starting to disseminate through the industry and tape ceased to be the principle medium for databases. David
On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net/>
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Matthew, I was also surprised by the early usage of that word in the mainframe computer context. It was actually quite common in the area of economic computer usage in Germany in the 1950s and 1960s. The main point here is: Already the punch card world used the word „archive“ for storing the punched cards. Sometimes it was also called „library“. As the computer in companies and banks is rather a upgrade to punch card machines, it inherits the word from there. This continues with the magnetic tape archives. One early citation for that is the journal "Bauen + Wohnen = Construction + habitation = Building + home“, 13 (1959) about the German Weather Bureau: https://www.e-periodica.ch/cntmng?pid=buw-001:1959:13::1333 For banks in Eastern Germany for example, Jähn & Sinnig (1967) are talking about „program archives“ that are built up by machine producers like IBM. The usage of the tape archive then gets common in the 1970s with the construction of data centers for banks. I just wrote a small passage about these practices for my dissertation. Martin Schmitt Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter | Doktorand | digital enthusiast ZENTRUM FÜR ZEITHISTORISCHE FORSCHUNG | POTSDAM Mail: schmitt@zzf-potsdam.de <mailto:schmitt@zzf-pdm.de> Tel: +49 331 - 74510-119 http://www.zzf-pdm.de/site/991/Default.aspx BLOG - www.computerisierung.com Vice Chair of IFIP WG 9.7 „History of computing" Neu erschienen: Martin Schmitt - Internet im Kalten Krieg. http://www.transcript-verlag.de/detail/index/sArticle/3569
Am 26.07.2018 um 20:23 schrieb Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>:
Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net/>
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I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum < mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net
Dear Matt, My first thought would be to ask Charlie Bourne, who’s a pioneer of computerized information retrieval and wrote a couple of relevant books (one on information handling in general with a section on computers, <https://www.amazon.com/Methods-Information-Handling-Charles-Bourne/dp/B000L2E846/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533576647&sr=1-6&keywords=charles+p.+bourne>first written in 1963, second on history of computerized retrieval from 2003 <https://www.amazon.com/History-Online-Information-Services-1963-1976-ebook/dp/B009NBFYZS/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1533576563&sr=1-3&keywords=charles+bourne>). He donated his archives to us last year, including proceedings of relevant conferences going back to the late ‘50s. Let me know if you want me to put you in touch with him. The library science/information retrieval folks were often thinking more about these kinds of issues than computer folks at the time. Michael Buckland at the UC Berkeley i-School is another possible resource, and he in fact introduced me to Charlie. Best, Marc
On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:09, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term?
OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s.
Best, Matt
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com <mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net/>
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net/>
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Datamation, the trade magazine, has been in continuous publication since 1957. That would be an ideal place to look for early uses of the term "archive." I'm not sure whether the paper magazine has ever been digitized and made searchable - does anyone know? Ditto for Communications of the ACM and Journal of the ACM. - Paul ___________________________ Paul N. Edwards William J. Perry Fellow in International Security Center for International Security and Cooperation<http://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/> Stanford University Professor Emeritus of Information<http://www.si.umich.edu/> and History<http://www.lsa.umich.edu/history/> University of Michigan Contact: m: pedwards@stanford.edu<mailto:pedwards@stanford.edu> w: pne.people.si.umich.edu<http://pne.people.si.umich.edu> t: @AVastMachine ________________________________ From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:09:35 PM To: members Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com<mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net> -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net>
Matt, As Paul already suggested, industry publications (including ads) would be a great place to start. The other place I would begin my search is in the various encyclopedias and published lists of terms. That’s what I used to track down the use of “virtual” a while back. Interestingly, even relatively recent encyclopedias do not define “archive.” Just checked the 4th ed. Of the Encyclopedia of Computer Science on my shelf – not in the glossary of terms. Only “archival storage” (twice) and “archive compression test” (once) are even listed in the general index. Henry Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Matthew Kirschenbaum Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:10 PM To: members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com<mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net> -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net>
Matt, Another method – duh – would be to use online databases such as INSPEC. Found this, for example: Short Note On Information Retrieval Systems Applicable To Archive Data Éric De Grolier, First Published September 1, 1965 Research Article https://doi.org/10.1177/053901846500400313<https://doi.org/10.1177%2F053901846500400313> Noticed that most uses of “archive data,” “data storage” etc. that popped up seem to be related to social science data systems; the first big ones were developed in the late 1960s, early 1970s, I believe, though I am no expert. Henry Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Henry E Lowood Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 11:27 AM To: Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>; members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science Matt, As Paul already suggested, industry publications (including ads) would be a great place to start. The other place I would begin my search is in the various encyclopedias and published lists of terms. That’s what I used to track down the use of “virtual” a while back. Interestingly, even relatively recent encyclopedias do not define “archive.” Just checked the 4th ed. Of the Encyclopedia of Computer Science on my shelf – not in the glossary of terms. Only “archival storage” (twice) and “archive compression test” (once) are even listed in the general index. Henry Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu<mailto:lowood@stanford.edu> From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org>> On Behalf Of Matthew Kirschenbaum Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:10 PM To: members <members@sigcis.org<mailto:members@sigcis.org>> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com<mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net> -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<http://mkirschenbaum.net>
Thanks so much for this info, Henry! I was following this topic with interest, nothing “duh” about it. If this is connected with the rise of the social sciences in government and military in the Cold War US, there’s a growing scholarly literature about that out there. It would be interesting to see if ARPA/DARPA were involved. Barbara Walker From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Henry E Lowood <lowood@stanford.edu> Date: Monday, August 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM To: Henry E Lowood <lowood@stanford.edu>, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>, members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science Matt, Another method – duh – would be to use online databases such as INSPEC. Found this, for example: Short Note On Information Retrieval Systems Applicable To Archive Data Éric De Grolier, First Published September 1, 1965 Research Article https://doi.org/10.1177/053901846500400313<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.1177%252F053901846500400313&data=01%7C01%7Cbbwalker%40unr.edu%7Cff1d06e7110f408389b708d5fbcd1fc8%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=bkxhg9gCO9VDnxwk6hNP1kj3Vs530s%2BJHkrsTs4zL6g%3D&reserved=0> Noticed that most uses of “archive data,” “data storage” etc. that popped up seem to be related to social science data systems; the first big ones were developed in the late 1960s, early 1970s, I believe, though I am no expert. Henry Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Henry E Lowood Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 11:27 AM To: Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>; members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science Matt, As Paul already suggested, industry publications (including ads) would be a great place to start. The other place I would begin my search is in the various encyclopedias and published lists of terms. That’s what I used to track down the use of “virtual” a while back. Interestingly, even relatively recent encyclopedias do not define “archive.” Just checked the 4th ed. Of the Encyclopedia of Computer Science on my shelf – not in the glossary of terms. Only “archival storage” (twice) and “archive compression test” (once) are even listed in the general index. Henry Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu<mailto:lowood@stanford.edu> From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org<mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org>> On Behalf Of Matthew Kirschenbaum Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:10 PM To: members <members@sigcis.org<mailto:members@sigcis.org>> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com<mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmkirschenbaum.net&data=01%7C01%7Cbbwalker%40unr.edu%7Cff1d06e7110f408389b708d5fbcd1fc8%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=2RJ%2FCX6nJmSW%2FJuPr9EeLbg%2FcS9dfoVmCkGqS9l04d4%3D&reserved=0> -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmkirschenbaum.net&data=01%7C01%7Cbbwalker%40unr.edu%7Cff1d06e7110f408389b708d5fbcd1fc8%7C523b4bfc0ebd4c03b2b96f6a17fd31d8%7C1&sdata=2RJ%2FCX6nJmSW%2FJuPr9EeLbg%2FcS9dfoVmCkGqS9l04d4%3D&reserved=0>
Don’t know if this is helpful in your context- Around 1974 I sold access to customers (including The Electric Power Research Institute) in the SF Bay Area to a service that my company Tymshare had made available online. It was a system for retrieving abstracts from a large number of publications and papers. It was called DIALOG and my understanding is it was produced by Lockheed with government funding from NASA. My customers for this application were mostly corporate librarians whose previous function was to take in-house information requests and literally search in libraries for answers. In that period data that was stored somewhere was referred to by a number of different names. As in this case abstracts of articles that covered many years and many subjects. The publications had been ‘archived’ and made accessible online through commercial services like Tymshare and its network. It was stored in a proprietary database used by DIALOG. But also the term “database” was used loosely to refer to many forms of data whether they were organized into a real database or not. Most were not because there were no cross platform DBMS systems and few proprietary ones. “Archive” was a term used previously in a non computer context apparently for a long time. And like many such terms used in the non computer world which had analogies to the computing process this one gradually became a part of our computer world terminology. But instead of its common use in the non computer world meaning stored documents, in the computer world it became a more common term relating to the process of storing backed up data or materials. Or the original source of data that was eventually loaded into a database- i e “from the archives.” I’m guessing you are going to find that like a lot of terms it worked its way into early conversations and papers eventually becoming a normal part of the terminology. Today I believe it is safe to say “backup” is much more the go to phrase with “archive” being used as a verb some and also a noun but not as much as “backup.” Ironically I believe your best chance to get a good answer for this is to locate an online database of articles or abstracts from computer publications of the 60s and 70s and search for the term “archive” and follow the trend of occurances per year as its popularity grew. DIALOG was certainly one such source a long time ago. Although I have no idea what on line accessible collections exist today online I can only guess they are available. Hope this is helpful Regards...Mike Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Marc Weber <marc@webhistory.org> wrote: Dear Matt, My first thought would be to ask Charlie Bourne, who’s a pioneer of computerized information retrieval and wrote a couple of relevant books (one on information handling in general with a section on computers, first written in 1963, second on history of computerized retrieval from 2003). He donated his archives to us last year, including proceedings of relevant conferences going back to the late ‘50s. Let me know if you want me to put you in touch with him. The library science/information retrieval folks were often thinking more about these kinds of issues than computer folks at the time. Michael Buckland at the UC Berkeley i-School is another possible resource, and he in fact introduced me to Charlie. Best, Marc On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:09, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote: I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term? OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s. Best, Matt On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files." Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete." I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era. Thank you-- -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net -- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org Marc Weber | marc@webhistory.org | +1 415 282 6868 Internet History Program Curatorial Director, Computer History Museum 1401 N Shoreline Blvd., Mountain View CA 94043 computerhistory.org/nethistory Co-founder, Web History Center and Project, webhistory.org _______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 6, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Barbara B Walker <bbwalker@unr.edu> wrote:
Thanks so much for this info, Henry! I was following this topic with interest, nothing “duh” about it.
If this is connected with the rise of the social sciences in government and military in the Cold War US, there’s a growing scholarly literature about that out there. It would be interesting to see if ARPA/DARPA were involved.
Barbara Walker
From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Henry E Lowood <lowood@stanford.edu> Date: Monday, August 6, 2018 at 11:48 AM To: Henry E Lowood <lowood@stanford.edu>, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>, members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science
Matt, Another method – duh – would be to use online databases such as INSPEC. Found this, for example: Short Note On Information Retrieval Systems Applicable To Archive Data Éric De Grolier, First Published September 1, 1965 Research Article https://doi.org/10.1177/053901846500400313 Noticed that most uses of “archive data,” “data storage” etc. that popped up seem to be related to social science data systems; the first big ones were developed in the late 1960s, early 1970s, I believe, though I am no expert. Henry
Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu
From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Henry E Lowood Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 11:27 AM To: Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>; members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science
Matt, As Paul already suggested, industry publications (including ads) would be a great place to start. The other place I would begin my search is in the various encyclopedias and published lists of terms. That’s what I used to track down the use of “virtual” a while back. Interestingly, even relatively recent encyclopedias do not define “archive.” Just checked the 4th ed. Of the Encyclopedia of Computer Science on my shelf – not in the glossary of terms. Only “archival storage” (twice) and “archive compression test” (once) are even listed in the general index. Henry
Henry Lowood, PhD Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall Stanford University Libraries Stanford CA 94305-6004 PH: 650-723-4602 EM: lowood@stanford.edu
From: Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> On Behalf Of Matthew Kirschenbaum Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:10 PM To: members <members@sigcis.org> Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science
I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term?
OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s.
Best, Matt
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net
-- Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net
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ICPSR started in 1962. Pat Galloway On 8/6/2018 1:47 PM, Henry E Lowood wrote:
Matt,
Another method – duh – would be to use online databases such as INSPEC. Found this, for example:
*Short Note On Information Retrieval Systems Applicable To Archive Data *
Éric De Grolier,
First Published September 1, 1965 Research Article
https://doi.org/10.1177/053901846500400313 <https://doi.org/10.1177%2F053901846500400313>
Noticed that most uses of “archive data,” “data storage” etc. that popped up seem to be related to social science data systems; the first big ones were developed in the late 1960s, early 1970s, I believe, though I am no expert.
Henry
Henry Lowood, PhD
Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections
HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford CA 94305-6004
PH: 650-723-4602
EM: lowood@stanford.edu
*From:* Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> *On Behalf Of *Henry E Lowood *Sent:* Monday, August 6, 2018 11:27 AM *To:* Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>; members <members@sigcis.org> *Subject:* Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science
Matt,
As Paul already suggested, industry publications (including ads) would be a great place to start. The other place I would begin my search is in the various encyclopedias and published lists of terms. That’s what I used to track down the use of “virtual” a while back.
Interestingly, even relatively recent encyclopedias do not define “archive.” Just checked the 4^th ed. Of the Encyclopedia of Computer Science on my shelf – not in the glossary of terms. Only “archival storage” (twice) and “archive compression test” (once) are even listed in the general index.
Henry
Henry Lowood, PhD
Curator for History of Science & Technology; Film & Media Collections
HSSG, Green Library, 557 Escondido Mall
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford CA 94305-6004
PH: 650-723-4602
EM: lowood@stanford.edu <mailto:lowood@stanford.edu>
*From:* Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org <mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org>> *On Behalf Of *Matthew Kirschenbaum *Sent:* Friday, July 27, 2018 12:10 PM *To:* members <members@sigcis.org <mailto:members@sigcis.org>> *Subject:* Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Origins of "archive" in computer science
I've had a couple of additional backchannel responses to this (thank you) but nothing terribly decisive. Is the question too diffuse, I wonder? Too obscure? How would one go about running something like this down? What would be some good industry publications to check to try to track the emergence of "archive" as a computer systems term?
OED doesn't offer a usage in relation to computing or data before 1978, but this seems late to me; certainly Wang was using the language of an "archive" disk for much of the 1970s.
Best, Matt
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Matthew Kirschenbaum <mkirschenbaum@gmail.com <mailto:mkirschenbaum@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
I'm trying to find early exemplars of the use of the word "archive" in computer systems contexts, whether as a noun to denote an element of computer architecture (i.e., the archive disk or archive tape) or as a verb, i.e. "I've archived those files."
Examples might include the TAR ("Tape ARchive") format, Wang's nomenclature of an "archive disk" in its systems, and Gmail's early mantra, "Archive, Don't Delete."
I'd love to run down some early instances of this sort of thing, which I assume goes back to the mainframe era.
Thank you--
--
Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net>
--
Matthew Kirschenbaum Professor of English and Digital Studies Director, Graduate Certificate in Digital Studies University of Maryland mkirschenbaum.net <http://mkirschenbaum.net>
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