<div dir="ltr">Thank you everyone for this fascinating thread! I did not know about the histories and fate of the Internet Fax project and I am very grateful to know about this and the RFC 2542 document. <div><br></div><div>All best and thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Johannah</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 7:03 PM Brian E Carpenter <<a href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Larry,<br>
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Note the irony that you cited a document whose canonical version is a plain text file written in a typewriter-compatible font and suitable for printing on an obsolete type of printer such as a good old Diabolo (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bodpSsFl8" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bodpSsFl8</a>).<br>
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The RFC system graduated to XML as its canonical format with HTML as the preferred rendering, but only in October 2019: <a href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8651" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8651</a> .<br>
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> RFC 2542 - Terminology and Goals for Internet Fax (<a href="http://ietf.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ietf.org</a>) <<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2542" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/search/rfc2542</a>><br>
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