<div dir="ltr">Great topic. Great thread. <div><br></div><div>You might want to check out Netz' <a href="https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=VwggGX0ORLkC&oi=fnd&pg=PR11&dq=Reviel+Netz&ots=O7iqkYjKcE&sig=9OdPrq82lUfBXLuCfjIceLAMoYs#v=onepage&q=Reviel%20Netz&f=false">The Shaping of Deduction in Greek Mathematics</a>. Bruno Latour wrote an astoundingly <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281503090_The_Netz-Works_of_Greek_Deductions_-_A_Review_of_Reviel_Netz's_The_Shaping_of_Deductions_in_Greek_Mathematics">rave review.</a> Personally, I failed to get through it. <div><br></div><div>In a less historical vein though (one reference each, but each is a little subfield):</div><div><br></div><div>The ethnomethodologists have done a series of investigations that are about as practical/embodied as you can get, at least in their way:</div><div><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ethnomethodological-Foundations-Mathematics-Studies-Ethnomethodology/dp/0710203357">The ethnomethodological foundations of mathematics</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>The distributed cognition folk tackled this too: </div><div><a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11412-011-9113-0">Collaboration, distributed cognition, and geometric reasoning</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>And, my personal favorite, is the lovely work of Jean Lave who followed people around as they grocery shopped (and which spawned a vast literature on maths dubbed 'communities of practice'):</div><div><a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/cognition-in-practice/2AF0745B4B8636436A1DF8AAF374BB9E">Cognition in Practice</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>david.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--<br><div>David Ribes<br></div><div>Associate Professor<br>Department of Human Centered Design and Engineering (HCDE)<span><br></span></div><div><span>University of Washington<br></span></div><span><a href="http://davidribes.com" target="_blank">http://davidribes.com</a></span><br></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 2:21 PM Julie Cohn <<a href="mailto:cohnconnor@comcast.net">cohnconnor@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">For reasons unrelated to the inquiry at the start of this email chain, I listened to a podcast called “Drinks with the Deal” that featured Will Deringer and a discussion of his book, <i>Calculated Values, </i>which “traces how numbers first gained widespread authority” in 17th century Great Britain (from MIT Press website). I have not read any of Will Deringer’s work, but it may be of interest.<div><br></div><div>-Julie</div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 3, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Schoenstein, Tasha <<a href="mailto:tschoenstein@g.harvard.edu" target="_blank">tschoenstein@g.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Since it hasn't been mentioned yet, the request made me think of Andrew Warwick, <i>Masters of Theory: Cambridge and the Rise of Mathematical Physics (</i>University of Chicago Press, 2003). I feel like most of this book thinks about embodied and material mathematical practices.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Tasha </div><div><div style="line-height:1.35;margin-left:2em">
  
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</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div dir="ltr">Tasha Schoenstein<div><a href="mailto:tschoenstein@g.harvard.edu" target="_blank">tschoenstein@g.harvard.edu</a></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Ph.D. Candidate, History of Science, </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Harvard University</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">S.M. Candidate, Computer Science, Harvard University</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">S.B. Mathematics with Computer Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology</span><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 12:54 PM Dr. Joy Lisi Rankin <<a href="mailto:drjoy@joyrankin.com" target="_blank">drjoy@joyrankin.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Hello David and all,</span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica">Adding my recommendation for: Deborah Harkness, <i>The Jewel House: Elizabethan London and the Scientific Revolution</i> (New Haven: Yale UP, 2007). The whole book is excellent; in terms of your particular interest, David, chapter three addresses mathematics and instrumentation, and chapter five addresses “reading, writing, and doing science” through close reading of prison notebooks.</font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Regards,</span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Joy</span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin:0px"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">-- <br></span></font><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Joy Lisi Rankin, PhD | she/her/hers</span></font><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Research Lead for the Gender, Race, and Power in AI Program</span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal"><a href="http://www.ainowinstitute.org/" style="word-break:break-word" target="_blank">AI Now Institute</a> @ <a href="https://www.nyu.edu/" style="word-break:break-word" target="_blank">NYU</a></span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Author: <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674970977" style="word-break:break-word" target="_blank">A People's History of Computing in the US</a></span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style:normal">Recently: "<a href="https://logicmag.io/care/bodies-into-bits/" style="word-break:break-word" target="_blank">Bodies into Bits</a>" and "<a href="https://medium.com/@AINowInstitute/whitewashing-tech-why-the-erasures-of-the-past-matter-today-166d0d5e2789" style="word-break:break-word" target="_blank">Whitewashing Tech</a>"</span></font></div></div></div></div> <br> <div></div> <br><p>On March 3, 2021 at 10:13:38 AM, Leif Weatherby (<a href="mailto:leif.weatherby@nyu.edu" target="_blank">leif.weatherby@nyu.edu</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite"><span><div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi All, <div>I'd just add in the vein of Brian's and Sam's suggestions that Brian Rotman's work (especially <a href="https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=415" target="_blank">Mathematics as Sign</a>) carves out a position distinct from formalism, intuitionism, and Platonism, which he calls the "semiotic" account of mathematics, and which is explicitly about "scratching notes on paper" and other material practices of doing math. If people know of follow-up work to his, I would be very interested, I have found him very compelling to read. </div><div>Best, </div><div>Leif</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:10 AM Sam Kellogg <<a href="mailto:samkellogg@gmail.com" target="_blank">samkellogg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Hello David,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">I highly recommend Juliette Kennedy's work on mathematical drawing on this point—this essay in particular discusses drafting, scratch notes, drawing at the blackboard, etc.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Kennedy, Juliette. “Notes on the Syntax and Semantics Distinction, or Three Moments in the Life of the Mathematical Drawing.” In What Is a Mathematical Concept?, edited by Alf Coles, Elizabeth de Freitas, and Nathalie Sinclair, 55–75. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2017. <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cambridge.org_core_books_what-2Dis-2Da-2Dmathematical-2Dconcept_notes-2Don-2Dthe-2Dsyntax-2Dand-2Dsemantics-2Ddistinction-2Dor-2Dthree-2Dmoments-2Din-2Dthe-2Dlife-2Dof-2Dthe-2Dmathematical-2Ddrawing_95FC242F34EBC88DC3D6749A2E4A6F31&d=DwMFaQ&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=bMQrB1JqPGH3QuzFgKxGwWv8_wlytMz_q_xKdjxXCE0&m=al_Rx7gVpZratUSSzCRMtEW8wkj9M8QRpJi-HdR4YSU&s=ZvIooA9RYnJYitjMQRpEQ0xerf1pt3Dm_bRPhEuDniE&e=" target="_blank">https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/what-is-a-mathematical-concept/notes-on-the-syntax-and-semantics-distinction-or-three-moments-in-the-life-of-the-mathematical-drawing/95FC242F34EBC88DC3D6749A2E4A6F31</a>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Best,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Sam<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:46 AM David C. Brock <<a href="mailto:dcb@dcbrock.net" target="_blank">dcb@dcbrock.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Dear All,<div><br></div><div>I’m wondering if you could point me to some references that treat the material and embodied practices — like writing, reading, publishing, lecturing — of people doing mathematics, symbolic logic, and calculation.</div><div><br></div><div>I’m interested particularly in the era *before* the widespread use of electronic computers.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><div>
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