<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Erica<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for the mention. I think the articles you refer to from ACM are <a href="http://www.dubberly.com/articles/what-is-interaction.html" class="">this one</a> and <a href="http://www.dubberly.com/articles/what-is-conversation.html" class="">this one</a>. There are many more about systems and design on <a href="http://www.dubberly.com/articles" class="">Hugh Dubberly’s site</a>, a rich trove. A summary of our<a href="http://www.dubberly.com/articles/cybernetics-and-design.html" class=""> connecting design and cybernetics is here</a>. More relationships between cybernetics, computing, counterculture, and interaction design <a href="http://www.dubberly.com/articles/cybernetics-and-counterculture.html" class="">are here</a>.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Per my prior offer privately to Bjorn, if others on this list are looking for specific references or have specific questions, please feel free to write me.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">###<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Erica Robles-Anderson <<a href="mailto:ewoka823@gmail.com" class="">ewoka823@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Bjorn<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your line of inquiry sounds super interesting, I’d love to know what you find. I’ll echo the recommendation to trace Stafford Beer. There’s a helpful chapter about him in Andrew Pickering’s <i class="">The Cybernetic Brain</i>. Also following Gordon Pask’s lineage to practitioners such as Paul Pangaro and Hugh Dubberly might make sense. Both have worked to transmit cybernetic ideas to major industrial players. I believe <i class="">interactions of the ACM</i><b class=""> </b>ran a piece by Dubberly a few years back with diagrams showing how cybernetic thinking applied to the product design and innovation processes. They’re quite beautiful and deserving of scholarly analysis. Happy to chat offline if it’s useful.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Erica </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2018, at 9:41 AM, McMillan, William W <<a href="mailto:william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu" class="">william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Hi, Bjorn.<br class=""><br class="">The work in systems analysis of Ben S. Graham, Sr., at Standard Register starting in the 1940s might be relevant. Strong ties to Taylor and the Glibreths. Graham explicitly employed cybernetic concepts and worked with the Gilbreths and W. E. Deming.<br class=""><br class="">I can send you some info on this if you'd like.<br class=""><br class="">- Bill<br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: Members [<a href="mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org" class="">members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org</a>] on behalf of Bjorn Westergard [<a href="mailto:bjornw@gmail.com" class="">bjornw@gmail.com</a>]<br class="">Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:27 PM<br class="">To: members<br class="">Subject: [SIGCIS-Members] Cybernetics and Industry<br class=""><br class="">Esteemed SIGCIS members,<br class=""><br class="">Which are the indispensable histories (and/or shorter historical essays) of cybernetics that touch on its social context?<br class=""><br class="">I'm particularly interested in the influence of self-styled cyberneticians on those playing a directive function in private enterprise (industrial/process engineers, managers, etc.) and vice versa.<br class=""><br class="">This question was prompted by a (characteristically!) gnomic remark of Wiener's in The Human Use of Human Beings, in which he appears to be quite fluent in "Taylorist" idiom:<br class=""><br class="">"The notion of programming in the factory had already become familiar through the work of Taylor and the Gilbreths on time study, and was ready to be transferred to the machine. This offered considerable difficulty of detail, but no great difficulty of principle." (p150)<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Bjorn<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org/" class="">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/" class="">http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/</a> and you can change your subscription options at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org" class="">http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</a><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org" class="">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/" class="">http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/</a> and you can change your subscription options at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org" class="">http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>