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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Armando Fox <fox@cs.berkeley.edu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Sarah T. Roberts" <sarah.roberts@ucla.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"members@sigcis.org" <members@sigcis.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Bloomberg: "Bird Races to Become the First Scooter Unicorn"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody">at the risk of being rude, would the folks invested in this discussion mind terribly if i ask that further discussion of scooters and bikeshares be moved off-list? it seems somewhat off-topic to those of us
who joined in order to stay abreast of SIGCIS-relevant events and research...thanks for your understanding...
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Awesome. Dockless bikes, scooters, etc., are not doing well in Los Angeles, where they are strewn everywhere and causing people with mobility issues problems accessing right of way.
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big here already, and I estimate 1/4 to 1/3 of the bikes I see on the roads are bike shares.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I like dockless bikes because life is not always symmetrical - if I am meeting friends for a coffee, then a trip to an art gallery, then to dinner, I might need a bike at the start but at the
end I want to take a bus. With a OfO or Mobike, I just find a bike using the rangefinder in the app, unlock it, and go where I want to go. I don’t have to go find my bike where I left it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">As Paul points out, it’s a good use of GPS. It’s also an example of how China is one of the countries that is far ahead on electronic payments and the sharing economy. As Paul notes, there is
a cost of entry - but you don’t need an iPhone to use Mobike or Ofo; a Huawei phone will be fine! The ride itself is 1 RMB (1/6 of a US dollar). There is no time limit that I know of, although the price of the ride goes up the longer you use the bike.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The bikes are not as sturdy as the docked Citibikes in NYC, and I suspect that’s a feature of the dockless paradigm (OfO doesn’t have to charge me $1000 if I fail to dock the bike or the bike
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">So, I wouldn’t say (like the Atlantic photo suggests) that dockless bikes are a failed project of a junk economy. They are not a replacement for sustainable infrastructure either, and I read
a different article earlier this week that 98% of the world’s electric busses are in China. So they seem to be part of a larger project of making cities livable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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(LimeBike, OfO, et al). I tried a Bird scooter—they can go fast! But it takes nerves of steel to ride in traffic. The drivers don’t like it when you take up a lane, even if you ride fast. But if you go on the sidewalk, the pedestrians get mad at you, for good
reason. I think they are a great idea, especially since both the NY subways and the DC Metro are both in a state of collapse. (I use Capital Bikeshare, a system that requires docs, every day in my commute. The bikes are sturdy, a bit heavy, but well-suited
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and docked bicycles? What are these but a novelty for high-income residents of the urban core, a new way for teenagers to concuss themselves[fn:1], propped up by VC largesse and externalization of social costs (e.g. the obstruction of streets and sidewalks,
the proliferation of "gig" employment)? If made to pay these costs - by employing rebalancers at a living wage and maintaining a service level that kept public thoroughfares unobstructed - could these enterprises ever turn a profit? How does their environmental
impact compare to alternatives? The Chinese experience, alluded to above, does not inspire confidence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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