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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Andy, I think back to Jennifer Light’s wonderfully inspiring talk for SIGCIS a few years ago, where she said something to the effect that there are roughly 400 computer historians in the world, divided into about five camps which deign to speak to each other. I took that to be an invitation for amateur historians to join the fray, hence my little monograph “Preserving our Digital Revolution Heritage” (Lulu press--yeah, hardly pedigreed). <a href="http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/charles-house/digital-revolution-heritage/paperback/product-22378873.html">http://www.lulu.com/us/en/shop/charles-house/digital-revolution-heritage/paperback/product-22378873.html</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>But I also came back to CHM (where I’ve been a Trustee for 27 years), and looked at what we DON’T have instead of what we DO have. And was frankly shocked by the gaping open holes—local companies such as SPC, SGI, SUN, and even HP , not to mention Tandem, etc have next to no oral histories on file amongst our 800 or so in the collection. And who selects those? Historians, and advocates—not the companies. So in that sense, Jennifer’s comments could be viewed alongside Tekla’s headline as complimentary thoughts rather than contradictory.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>We’ve immense tasks ahead of us….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Members <members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org> on behalf of Andrew Russell <arussell@arussell.org><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 3:25 AM<br><b>To: </b>SIGCIS Listserver <members@sigcis.org><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian, thanks for sending this around and keeping this issue in view. Thanks also to Chuck for being vocal about it. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The headline and framing of the Spectrum article bothers me, asserting that this is "a wake-up call for computer historians."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We would be hard pressed to find any computer historians - or any historians, period - who don’t already know that more should be done to preserve and maintain records of all kinds (including corporate archives) and make them available to researchers. Len Shustek’s response yesterday underscores CHM’s considerable effort and investment in this area, and there are dozens and dozens of subscribers on this list who also do this kind of work (staff at CBI & Hagley jump to mind, but there are many others). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is as good a time as any to highlight David Kirsch’s work on this subject (through the examples of the Dot Com Archive and the Brobeck Closed Archive), nicely summarized in <a href="http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/series/pioneers/kirsch.html">http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/series/pioneers/kirsch.html</a>. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 31, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Brian Berg <<a href="mailto:brianberg@gmail.com">brianberg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A thread I started on another listserver resulted in this story:<br><br><b><a href="https://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/tech-history/silicon-revolution/loss-of-hewlettpackard-archive-a-wakeup-call-for-computer-historians"><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Loss of Hewlett-Packard Archive a Wake-Up Call for Computer Historians</span></a></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Note the important comment from HP at the end of this story.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Brian Berg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck House <<a href="mailto:housec1839@gmail.com" target="_blank">housec1839@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I stand corrected, thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>Members <<a href="mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org" target="_blank">members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org</a>> on behalf of Len Shustek <<a href="mailto:len@shustek.com" target="_blank">len@shustek.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM<br><b>To: </b>SIGCIS Listserver <<a href="mailto:members@sigcis.org" target="_blank">members@sigcis.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [SIGCIS-Members] HP Archives Destroyed in Recent California Fires</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>At 02:32 PM 10/30/2017, Brian Berg wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=gmail-><span style='font-family:Arial'>Chuck House responded to me re: this sad news with:</span></span><span style='font-family:Arial'><br><i>...<br><span class=gmail->5. Ironic, that the Computer History Museum here in town, never tried to get this archive</span></i></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><span class=gmail->That's not true. We had a good relationship over the years with the two main HP archivists, and offered many times to get more involved with their archive -- ranging from getting a copy of the catalog, to getting copies of documents, to taking it over. They declined our participation. </span><br><br><span class=gmail->We weren't as aggressive as perhaps we could have been because HP was one of the few companies (unlike many others I could name) who seemed to be taking the preservation of their history seriously, and they were putting resources into the effort. Clearly that wasn't enough.</span><br><br><span class=gmail->Len</span><br><span class=gmail->_______________________________________________ This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org/" target="_blank">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/" target="_blank">http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/</a> and you can change your subscription options at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org" target="_blank">http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org/" target="_blank">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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