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Great debate!<br>
<br>
In Spanish these threads could be much more interestings :-) You
need definite articles by gender.<br>
We say "la placa base" for motherboard, but we say "el conector
macho" and "el conector hembra". Note that "placa"<br>
comes with "la" (female) and "conector" with "el" (male).<br>
<br>
However I think it is much more interesting that some tasks in the
early informatics profession were named with female or male
concordance. In the 1970's, they always said "los programadores"
(male article for programmers) and "las perforistas" (female article
for the key-punchers).<br>
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And last but not least, we should try to avoid presentism, this
debate will be softer although more tangled with other
disciplines.<br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
--<br>
Dr. Jordi Fornés<br>
Computer Architecture Department<br>
Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - BarcelonaTech<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 24/05/2017 a las 18:17, Sarah T.
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Thank you for this succinct and well
stated analysis. The irony certainly was not lost on me as I
read both threads over the past day. You have provided a sorely
needed intervention. Thank you.<br>
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By the way, before my academic turn, these kinds of terms that
were in constant and common usage within the IT field certainly
did not go unnoticed by me as I worked in that field and
contented with them every day, uncomfortably.</div>
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<div class="">Two thoughts here:</div>
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<div class="">Firstly, mammals don’t have gender (a socially
constructed concept reflecting ideas about masculinity and
femininity). There is nothing obvious or literal about the
metaphor of “female” and “male” connectors- they are indeed
ideological referents. </div>
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<div class="">Secondly, I can’t help but read this thread in
direct contrast to the thread criticizing Rankin’s talk. I
note that on the latter thread a woman scholar is being
taken to task for presenting informed research on gender in
computing, while on this thread we have male scholars
hazarding uninformed guesses about gender and computing
metaphors with no pushback whatsoever. </div>
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<div class="">Reading these threads side by side has
definitely given me pause on the state of the field and the
challenges we continue to have for fully integrating
cultural studies, gender, and race perspectives into
information and computing studies.</div>
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Interesting discussion. OED does not speculate on
this connection; first use of “motherboard” it lists
is 1965.
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<div class="">It’s worth noting that some of the
gendered terms in engineering are very clear and
literal metaphors, not specifically human though
definitely mammalian.</div>
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<div class="">“Mother ship,” like “motherboard,”
refers to a larger thing from which smaller, but
similar dependent units (smaller ships, subsidiary
circuit boards) are launched, to which they are
attached, and from which they draw sustenance
(fuel, electricity). </div>
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<div class="">“Female” and “male” connectors refer
to sockets and plugs respectively, also quite
literal, also not particularly human but
mammalian.</div>
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<div class="">This is not to say that such metaphors
aren’t sometimes deployed in objectionable,
human-oriented ways, but it would be silly to
ignore their value as readily understood
descriptors of physical structure and/or
relationships.</div>
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My guess is that the term, Motherboard,
was derived from the term Mothership,
which is still in common usage by the
general population, and according to
several online dictionaries originated in
the 19th century. Note that when techs
and engineers refer to Motherboards, they
normally use the gender neutral pronoun,
"it".
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Caitlin,<br class="">
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I'm not sure if this
is the sort of thing
you're looking for,
but some CS pioneers
were rather keen to
use the master-slave
metaphor to talk about
human-computer
relations. Eg:<br
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Jack Good reported that:
"Turing used to refer
jocularly to people who
are forced to do<br
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mechanical operations as
slaves."<br class="">
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Bardini quotes Engelbart:
"Think ahead to the day
when computer technology
might provide for your
very own use the full-time
services of a completely
attentive, very patient,
very fast
symbol-manipulating slave
who has an IQ adequate for
95% of your today's mental
tasks."<br class="">
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unfortunate Newsweek caption
about Harry Huskey.<br
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<div class="">I think probably
links back to earlier tropes
about robots: eg in Capek's
RUR, the rebellious robots
are precisely slaves. I've
got an unpublished
conference paper I wrote a
few years back about this
which I could dig out if
you're interested.<br
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May 2017 at 18:29, McMillan,
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Caitlin, this is an
interesting study!<br
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I'm not sure, though, if
"today's engineers" would
very readily coin
gender-specific terms for
parts of computers. These
terms go back a long way.<br
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The "master-slave"
terminology has going for it
that the relationship
between, say, a bus arbiter
and connected devices is, in
truth, a master-slave
relationship. The other
connotations make it hard
for me to use the terms in
class, but it's difficult to
find synonyms.
Controller-controlled?
Decider-doer? Kind of
awkward. (Suggestions
welcome!)<br class="">
<br class="">
In contrast to the gendered
terms, in describing the
tree data structure, the
relationship between nodes
has always been
parent-child, back at least
to Knuth's volumes, not
father-son, mother-son, or
the like. Same with
object/class hierarchies.<br
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