<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">What is meant by “information and computing studies” in terms of the academy? Is it Library and Information Science,<br>Cultural Studies, or perhaps some subset of CISE (Computer and Information Science & Engineering)?</span></font></blockquote><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div>How about all of them. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">A perusal of the internet reveals that Dr. Sweeney's home field is library and information science. Her research is interdisciplinary. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><br><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">---<br><br>S a r a h T. R o b e r t s, P h. D.<br><br>Assistant Professor<br>University of California, Los Angeles<br>Department of Information Studies<br>Graduate School of Education & Information Studies<br><a dir="ltr" href="https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="0">https://is.gseis.ucla.edu/</a><br><br>Blogging periodically at<br><a dir="ltr" href="http://illusionofvolition.com/" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1">http://illusionofvolition.com</a></span></div><div><br>On May 24, 2017, at 10:05, Paul Fishwick <<a href="mailto:metaphorz@gmail.com">metaphorz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Miriam</span><br><span> In your last paragraph, you note:</span><br><span></span><br><span> "Reading these threads side by side has definitely given me pause on the state of the field and the challenges </span><br><span> we continue to have for fully integrating cultural studies, gender, and race perspectives into information and </span><br><span> computing studies.”</span><br><span></span><br><span> What is meant by “information and computing studies” in terms of the academy? Is it Library and Information Science,</span><br><span> Cultural Studies, or perhaps some subset of CISE (Computer and Information Science & Engineering)?</span><br><span></span><br><span> I ask to be better educated on the “challenges” you are facing. As for the Association for Computing Machinery,</span><br><span> there exists a classification called “Social and Professional Topics”, however, in the places where I have studied or</span><br><span> taught (Engineering Schools), this area is not well represented. Is your hope, or challenge, to get it into Engineering</span><br><span> Schools? As for departments outside of Engineering (e.g., in a Humanities-oriented school), the topics you</span><br><span> mention seem to have better coverage. Here is the link to the 2012 ACM classification tree:</span><br><span></span><br><span> <span><a href="http://www.acm.org/about/class/class/2012">http://www.acm.org/about/class/class/2012</a></span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-paul</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Paul Fishwick, PhD</span><br><span>Distinguished University Chair of Arts, Technology, and Emerging Communication</span><br><span>Professor of Computer Science</span><br><span>Director, Creative Automata Laboratory</span><br><span>The University of Texas at Dallas</span><br><span>Arts & Technology</span><br><span><span>800 West Campbell Road</span>, AT10</span><br><span><span>Richardson, TX 75080-3021</span></span><br><span>Home: <span><a href="http://utdallas.edu/atec/fishwick">utdallas.edu/atec/fishwick</a></span></span><br><span>Blog 1: <span><a href="http://medium.com/@metaphorz">medium.com/@metaphorz</a></span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><a href="#" class="_AppleShowQuotedContentButton"><div style="height: 73px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="1258" preoffsetheight="7752"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1258"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Sweeney, Miriam <mesweeney1@ua.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1306"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1330"><span>Hi Folks, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1354"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1378"><span>Two thoughts here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1402"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1426"><span>Firstly, mammals don’t have gender (a socially constructed concept reflecting ideas about masculinity and femininity). There is nothing obvious or literal about the metaphor of “female” and “male” connectors- they are indeed ideological referents. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1570"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1594"><span>Secondly, I can’t help but read this thread in direct contrast to the thread criticizing Rankin’s talk. I note that on the latter thread a woman scholar is being taken to task for presenting informed research on gender in computing, while on this thread we have male scholars hazarding uninformed guesses about gender and computing metaphors with no pushback whatsoever. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1810"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1834"><span>Reading these threads side by side has definitely given me pause on the state of the field and the challenges we continue to have for fully integrating cultural studies, gender, and race perspectives into information and computing studies.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1978"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2002"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2026"><span>Miriam E. Sweeney</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2050"><span>Assistant Professor , School of Library and Information Studies </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2098"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2122"><span>The University of Alabama </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2146"><span><span>527 Gorgas </span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2170"><span><span>Box 870252</span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2194"><span>Tuscaloosa , AL </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2218"><span>office 205-348-1522 </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2242"><span>mesweeney1@ua.edu | https://slis.ua.edu/ </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2290"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2314"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2338"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2362"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2386"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="2410"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Paul N. Edwards <pne@umich.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2458"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2482"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Interesting discussion. OED does not speculate on this connection; first use of “motherboard” it lists is 1965.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2554"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2578"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It’s worth noting that some of the gendered terms in engineering are very clear and literal metaphors, not specifically human though definitely mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2674"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2698"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Mother ship,” like “motherboard,” refers to a larger thing from which smaller, but similar dependent units (smaller ships, subsidiary circuit boards) are launched, to which they are attached, and from which they draw sustenance (fuel, electricity). </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2842"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2866"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Female” and “male” connectors refer to sockets and plugs respectively, also quite literal, also not particularly human but mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2962"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2986"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is not to say that such metaphors aren’t sometimes deployed in objectionable, human-oriented ways, but it would be silly to ignore their value as readily understood descriptors of physical structure and/or relationships.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3130"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3154"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3178"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3202"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3226"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3250"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3274"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:43 , mike willegal <mike@willegal.net> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3322"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3346"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My guess is that the term, Motherboard, was derived from the term Mothership, which is still in common usage by the general population, and according to several online dictionaries originated in the 19th century. Note that when techs and engineers refer to Motherboards, they normally use the gender neutral pronoun, "it".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3562"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3586"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3610"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mike Willegal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3634"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3658"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 23, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Mark Priestley <m.priestley@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3706"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3730"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Caitlin,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3754"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3778"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're looking for, but some CS pioneers were rather keen to use the master-slave metaphor to talk about human-computer relations. Eg:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3898"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3922"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jack Good reported that: "Turing used to refer jocularly to people who are forced to do</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3994"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mechanical operations as slaves."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4018"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4042"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bardini quotes Engelbart: "Think ahead to the day when computer technology might provide for your very own use the full-time services of a completely attentive, very patient, very fast symbol-manipulating slave who has an IQ adequate for 95% of your today's mental tasks."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4210"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4234"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>And there's this unfortunate Newsweek caption about Harry Huskey.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4282"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4306"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think probably links back to earlier tropes about robots: eg in Capek's RUR, the rebellious robots are precisely slaves. I've got an unpublished conference paper I wrote a few years back about this which I could dig out if you're interested.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4450"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4474"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4498"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mark</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4522"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4546"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4570"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4594"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="4618"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 23 May 2017 at 18:29, McMillan, William W <william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4690"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin, this is an interesting study!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4714"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4738"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure, though, if "today's engineers" would very readily coin gender-specific terms for parts of computers. These terms go back a long way.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4834"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4858"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The "master-slave" terminology has going for it that the relationship between, say, a bus arbiter and connected devices is, in truth, a master-slave relationship. The other connotations make it hard for me to use the terms in class, but it's difficult to find synonyms. Controller-controlled? Decider-doer? Kind of awkward. (Suggestions welcome!)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5074"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5098"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In contrast to the gendered terms, in describing the tree data structure, the relationship between nodes has always been parent-child, back at least to Knuth's volumes, not father-son, mother-son, or the like. Same with object/class hierarchies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5266"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5290"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Bill</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5314"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5338"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5362"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Members [members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org] on behalf of Wylie, Caitlin Donahue (cdw9y) [cdw9y@eservices.virginia.edu]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5458"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 PM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5482"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: members@SIGCIS.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5506"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [SIGCIS-Members] History of gendered terms, e.g., "motherboard"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5554"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5578"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear all,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5602"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Do you know of any studies of gendered language in computing? I’m intrigued by the way today’s engineers throw around words like “motherboard” and “daughterboard”, and also “master” and “slave”, without being aware of how those words sound to non-engineers (like me). I’d be interested in learning about historical or sociological studies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5818"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5842"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5866"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5890"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>All the best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5914"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin Wylie</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5938"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5962"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin D. 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The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7186"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7210"><blockquote type="cite"><span>—————————————————</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7234"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul N. Edwards</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7258"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Professor of Information and History</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7282"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Distinguished Faculty in Sustainability, Graham Sustainability Institute</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7330"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Senior Fellow, Michigan Society of Fellows</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7354"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7378"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Starting July 1, 2017:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7402"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7426"><blockquote type="cite"><span>William J. Perry Fellow in International Security</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7474"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Center for International Security and Cooperation</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7522"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stanford University</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7546"><blockquote type="cite"><span>pedwards@stanford.edu</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7570"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7594"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Terse replies are deliberate. Here's why! </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7618"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7642"><blockquote type="cite"><span>University of Michigan School of Information</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7666"><blockquote type="cite"><span>4437 North Quad</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7690"><blockquote type="cite"><span><span>105 S. 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The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</span><br></blockquote></div></div><div class="button">Show Quoted Content</div><div style="height: 49px !important; overflow: hidden !important;"><div preoffsettop="1258" preoffsetheight="7752"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1258"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Sweeney, Miriam <mesweeney1@ua.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1306"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1330"><span>Hi Folks, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1354"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1378"><span>Two thoughts here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1402"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1426"><span>Firstly, mammals don’t have gender (a socially constructed concept reflecting ideas about masculinity and femininity). There is nothing obvious or literal about the metaphor of “female” and “male” connectors- they are indeed ideological referents. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1570"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1594"><span>Secondly, I can’t help but read this thread in direct contrast to the thread criticizing Rankin’s talk. I note that on the latter thread a woman scholar is being taken to task for presenting informed research on gender in computing, while on this thread we have male scholars hazarding uninformed guesses about gender and computing metaphors with no pushback whatsoever. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1810"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1834"><span>Reading these threads side by side has definitely given me pause on the state of the field and the challenges we continue to have for fully integrating cultural studies, gender, and race perspectives into information and computing studies.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1978"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2002"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2026"><span>Miriam E. Sweeney</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2050"><span>Assistant Professor , School of Library and Information Studies </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2098"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2122"><span>The University of Alabama </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2146"><span><span>527 Gorgas </span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2170"><span><span>Box 870252</span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2194"><span>Tuscaloosa , AL </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2218"><span>office 205-348-1522 </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2242"><span>mesweeney1@ua.edu | https://slis.ua.edu/ </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2290"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2314"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2338"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2362"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2386"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="2410"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Paul N. Edwards <pne@umich.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2458"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2482"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Interesting discussion. OED does not speculate on this connection; first use of “motherboard” it lists is 1965.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2554"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2578"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It’s worth noting that some of the gendered terms in engineering are very clear and literal metaphors, not specifically human though definitely mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2674"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2698"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Mother ship,” like “motherboard,” refers to a larger thing from which smaller, but similar dependent units (smaller ships, subsidiary circuit boards) are launched, to which they are attached, and from which they draw sustenance (fuel, electricity). </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2842"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2866"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Female” and “male” connectors refer to sockets and plugs respectively, also quite literal, also not particularly human but mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2962"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2986"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is not to say that such metaphors aren’t sometimes deployed in objectionable, human-oriented ways, but it would be silly to ignore their value as readily understood descriptors of physical structure and/or relationships.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3130"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3154"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3178"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3202"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3226"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3250"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3274"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:43 , mike willegal <mike@willegal.net> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3322"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3346"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My guess is that the term, Motherboard, was derived from the term Mothership, which is still in common usage by the general population, and according to several online dictionaries originated in the 19th century. Note that when techs and engineers refer to Motherboards, they normally use the gender neutral pronoun, "it".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3562"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3586"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3610"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mike Willegal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3634"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3658"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 23, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Mark Priestley <m.priestley@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3706"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3730"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Caitlin,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3754"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3778"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're looking for, but some CS pioneers were rather keen to use the master-slave metaphor to talk about human-computer relations. Eg:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3898"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3922"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jack Good reported that: "Turing used to refer jocularly to people who are forced to do</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3994"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mechanical operations as slaves."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4018"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4042"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bardini quotes Engelbart: "Think ahead to the day when computer technology might provide for your very own use the full-time services of a completely attentive, very patient, very fast symbol-manipulating slave who has an IQ adequate for 95% of your today's mental tasks."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4210"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4234"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>And there's this unfortunate Newsweek caption about Harry Huskey.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4282"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4306"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think probably links back to earlier tropes about robots: eg in Capek's RUR, the rebellious robots are precisely slaves. I've got an unpublished conference paper I wrote a few years back about this which I could dig out if you're interested.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4450"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4474"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4498"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mark</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4522"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4546"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4570"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4594"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="4618"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 23 May 2017 at 18:29, McMillan, William W <william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4690"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin, this is an interesting study!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4714"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4738"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure, though, if "today's engineers" would very readily coin gender-specific terms for parts of computers. These terms go back a long way.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4834"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4858"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The "master-slave" terminology has going for it that the relationship between, say, a bus arbiter and connected devices is, in truth, a master-slave relationship. The other connotations make it hard for me to use the terms in class, but it's difficult to find synonyms. Controller-controlled? Decider-doer? Kind of awkward. (Suggestions welcome!)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5074"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5098"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In contrast to the gendered terms, in describing the tree data structure, the relationship between nodes has always been parent-child, back at least to Knuth's volumes, not father-son, mother-son, or the like. Same with object/class hierarchies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5266"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5290"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Bill</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5314"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5338"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5362"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Members [members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org] on behalf of Wylie, Caitlin Donahue (cdw9y) [cdw9y@eservices.virginia.edu]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5458"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 PM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5482"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: members@SIGCIS.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5506"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [SIGCIS-Members] History of gendered terms, e.g., "motherboard"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5554"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5578"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear all,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5602"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Do you know of any studies of gendered language in computing? I’m intrigued by the way today’s engineers throw around words like “motherboard” and “daughterboard”, and also “master” and “slave”, without being aware of how those words sound to non-engineers (like me). I’d be interested in learning about historical or sociological studies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5818"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5842"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5866"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5890"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>All the best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5914"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin Wylie</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5938"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5962"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin D. 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Edwards</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7258"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Professor of Information and History</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7282"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Distinguished Faculty in Sustainability, Graham Sustainability Institute</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7330"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Senior Fellow, Michigan Society of Fellows</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7354"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7378"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Starting July 1, 2017:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7402"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7426"><blockquote type="cite"><span>William J. Perry Fellow in International Security</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7474"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Center for International Security and Cooperation</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7522"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stanford University</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7546"><blockquote type="cite"><span>pedwards@stanford.edu</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7570"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7594"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Terse replies are deliberate. 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Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="8698"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="8722"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="8746"><span>This email is relayed from members at sigcis.org, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/ and you can change your subscription options at http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</span><br></blockquote></div></div></a><div preoffsettop="1258" preoffsetheight="7752" style="display: none;"><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1258"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Sweeney, Miriam <<a href="mailto:mesweeney1@ua.edu">mesweeney1@ua.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1306"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1330"><span>Hi Folks, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1354"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1378"><span>Two thoughts here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1402"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1426"><span>Firstly, mammals don’t have gender (a socially constructed concept reflecting ideas about masculinity and femininity). There is nothing obvious or literal about the metaphor of “female” and “male” connectors- they are indeed ideological referents. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1570"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1594"><span>Secondly, I can’t help but read this thread in direct contrast to the thread criticizing Rankin’s talk. I note that on the latter thread a woman scholar is being taken to task for presenting informed research on gender in computing, while on this thread we have male scholars hazarding uninformed guesses about gender and computing metaphors with no pushback whatsoever. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1810"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1834"><span>Reading these threads side by side has definitely given me pause on the state of the field and the challenges we continue to have for fully integrating cultural studies, gender, and race perspectives into information and computing studies.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="1978"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2002"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2026"><span>Miriam E. Sweeney</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2050"><span>Assistant Professor , School of Library and Information Studies </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2098"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2122"><span>The University of Alabama </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2146"><span>527 Gorgas </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2170"><span>Box 870252</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2194"><span>Tuscaloosa , AL </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2218"><span>office 205-348-1522 </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2242"><span><a href="mailto:mesweeney1@ua.edu">mesweeney1@ua.edu</a> | <a href="https://slis.ua.edu/">https://slis.ua.edu/</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2290"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2314"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2338"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2362"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2386"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="2410"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Paul N. Edwards <<a href="mailto:pne@umich.edu">pne@umich.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2458"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2482"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Interesting discussion. OED does not speculate on this connection; first use of “motherboard” it lists is 1965.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2554"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2578"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It’s worth noting that some of the gendered terms in engineering are very clear and literal metaphors, not specifically human though definitely mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2674"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2698"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Mother ship,” like “motherboard,” refers to a larger thing from which smaller, but similar dependent units (smaller ships, subsidiary circuit boards) are launched, to which they are attached, and from which they draw sustenance (fuel, electricity). </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2842"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2866"><blockquote type="cite"><span>“Female” and “male” connectors refer to sockets and plugs respectively, also quite literal, also not particularly human but mammalian.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2962"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="2986"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is not to say that such metaphors aren’t sometimes deployed in objectionable, human-oriented ways, but it would be silly to ignore their value as readily understood descriptors of physical structure and/or relationships.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3130"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3154"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3178"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3202"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3226"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3250"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3274"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 24, 2017, at 9:43 , mike willegal <<a href="mailto:mike@willegal.net">mike@willegal.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3322"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3346"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My guess is that the term, Motherboard, was derived from the term Mothership, which is still in common usage by the general population, and according to several online dictionaries originated in the 19th century. Note that when techs and engineers refer to Motherboards, they normally use the gender neutral pronoun, "it".</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3562"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3586"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3610"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mike Willegal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3634"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="3658"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On May 23, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Mark Priestley <<a href="mailto:m.priestley@gmail.com">m.priestley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3706"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3730"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Caitlin,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3754"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3778"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure if this is the sort of thing you're looking for, but some CS pioneers were rather keen to use the master-slave metaphor to talk about human-computer relations. Eg:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3898"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3922"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Jack Good reported that: "Turing used to refer jocularly to people who are forced to do</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="3994"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>mechanical operations as slaves."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4018"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4042"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bardini quotes Engelbart: "Think ahead to the day when computer technology might provide for your very own use the full-time services of a completely attentive, very patient, very fast symbol-manipulating slave who has an IQ adequate for 95% of your today's mental tasks."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4210"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4234"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>And there's this unfortunate Newsweek caption about Harry Huskey.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4282"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4306"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think probably links back to earlier tropes about robots: eg in Capek's RUR, the rebellious robots are precisely slaves. I've got an unpublished conference paper I wrote a few years back about this which I could dig out if you're interested.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4450"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4474"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4498"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mark</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4522"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4546"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4570"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4594"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" __apple_fixed_attribute="true" preoffsettop="4618"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 23 May 2017 at 18:29, McMillan, William W <<a href="mailto:william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu">william.mcmillan@cuaa.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4690"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin, this is an interesting study!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4714"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4738"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm not sure, though, if "today's engineers" would very readily coin gender-specific terms for parts of computers. These terms go back a long way.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4834"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="4858"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The "master-slave" terminology has going for it that the relationship between, say, a bus arbiter and connected devices is, in truth, a master-slave relationship. The other connotations make it hard for me to use the terms in class, but it's difficult to find synonyms. Controller-controlled? Decider-doer? Kind of awkward. (Suggestions welcome!)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5074"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5098"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In contrast to the gendered terms, in describing the tree data structure, the relationship between nodes has always been parent-child, back at least to Knuth's volumes, not father-son, mother-son, or the like. Same with object/class hierarchies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5266"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5290"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- Bill</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5314"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5338"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5362"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Members [<a href="mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org">members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org</a>] on behalf of Wylie, Caitlin Donahue (cdw9y) [<a href="mailto:cdw9y@eservices.virginia.edu">cdw9y@eservices.virginia.edu</a>]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5458"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 PM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5482"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:members@SIGCIS.org">members@SIGCIS.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5506"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [SIGCIS-Members] History of gendered terms, e.g., "motherboard"</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5554"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5578"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear all,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5602"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Do you know of any studies of gendered language in computing? I’m intrigued by the way today’s engineers throw around words like “motherboard” and “daughterboard”, and also “master” and “slave”, without being aware of how those words sound to non-engineers (like me). I’d be interested in learning about historical or sociological studies.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5818"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5842"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thank you!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5866"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5890"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>All the best,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5914"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin Wylie</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5938"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5962"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Caitlin D. Wylie, Ph.D.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="5986"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Assistant Professor</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6010"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Program in Science, Technology and Society</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6058"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>University of Virginia</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6082"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:wylie@virginia.edu">wylie@virginia.edu</a><<a href="mailto:wylie@virginia.edu">mailto:wylie@virginia.edu</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6130"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.eands.virginia.edu/faculty-staff/wylie/">http://www.eands.virginia.edu/faculty-staff/wylie/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6178"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6202"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="6250"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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Edwards</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7258"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Professor of Information and History</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7282"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Distinguished Faculty in Sustainability, Graham Sustainability Institute</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7330"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Senior Fellow, Michigan Society of Fellows</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7354"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7378"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Starting July 1, 2017:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7402"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7426"><blockquote type="cite"><span>William J. Perry Fellow in International Security</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7474"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Center for International Security and Cooperation</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7522"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stanford University</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7546"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:pedwards@stanford.edu">pedwards@stanford.edu</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7570"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" preoffsettop="7594"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Terse replies are deliberate. 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