<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Resurfacing this to point out that TechDirt released a statement and is seeking assistance: <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170111/11440836465/techdirts-first-amendment-fight-life.shtml" class="">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170111/11440836465/techdirts-first-amendment-fight-life.shtml</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:46 AM, Thomas Haigh <<a href="mailto:thomas.haigh@gmail.com" class="">thomas.haigh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sounds like good idea. I’m busy with some other projects right now, and in any event it would be good to have somebody else take the lead on this for a while – make it more apparent to casual observers that there is a consensus in the history of computing community on this.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Here are some resources that might be useful for someone thinking of writing on this issue:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.sigcis.org/ayyadurai" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.sigcis.org/ayyadurai</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> - my main page (includes links to various video and media content that would look good in a blog post, including a Xerox video). This tries to document and evaluate every historical claim made by Ayyadurai.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/CACM-SevenLessons.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/CACM-SevenLessons.pdf</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>my CACM article with lessons to be learned from the initial part of the case. This is more of a general reflection on what was going on from a media narrative viewpoint.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.inventorofemail.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.inventorofemail.com/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> Ayyadurai’s own site<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/05/shiva-ayyaduri-email-us-postal-service/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/05/shiva-ayyaduri-email-us-postal-service/</a> Boston globe article – not 100% reliable, but if you read to the end carefully you’ll get the right idea.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-bizarre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented-email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140901/07280928386/huffpo-publishes-bizarre-misleading-factually-incorrect-multi-part-series-pretending-guy-invented-email-even-though-he-didnt.shtml</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> One of a number of solid Techdirt posts debunking Ayyadurai, this one dealing with the 2014 effort to push a misleading “History of Email” series focused exclusively on Ayyadurai.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=shiva+ayyadurai" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=shiva+ayyadurai</a><b class="">.</b></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Other Techdirt posts from this link, including one quoting me:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140903/18514728409/huffington-post-finally-responds-stands-its-completely-bogus-totally-debunked-history-email-series.shtml" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140903/18514728409/huffington-post-finally-responds-stands-its-completely-bogus-totally-debunked-history-email-series.shtml</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/origins-of-e-mail-my-mea-culpa/2012/03/01/gIQAiOD5kR_blog.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/origins-of-e-mail-my-mea-culpa/2012/03/01/gIQAiOD5kR_blog.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> Washington Post ombudsman admitting that the story was unfounded<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 25.5pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -25.5pt;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/HistoriesOfTheInternetDRAFT.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/HistoriesOfTheInternetDRAFT.pdf</a> Introduction to special issue of I&C on Internet History in which we mention Ayyadurai’s case as an example of an attempt to fill in the gap between people’s ordinary experience and the ARPANET story. Example of a way to acknowledge appeal of the Ayyadurai narrative without endorsing its claims.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Resources on the actual history of email include<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Janet Abbate’s<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Inventing the Internet</i><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Craig Partridge’s Annals paper, “The Technical Development of Internet Email.” This is the best overview of the actual development of modern email.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=""><span class="">·<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My chapter in The Internet and American Business has some material on non-Internet email and how it was eventually assimilated:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/ProtocolsForProfitDRAFT.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.tomandmaria.com/Tom/Writing/ProtocolsForProfitDRAFT.pdf</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best wishes,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Tom<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Members [<a href="mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:members-bounces@lists.sigcis.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Christine Finn<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:09 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Golumbia <<a href="mailto:dgolumbia@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dgolumbia@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sigcis <<a href="mailto:members@sigcis.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">members@sigcis.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [SIGCIS-Members] Shiva/Gawker, also AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">I'd be happy to help with this. If we can craft something I'd be pleased to help reach a wider audience. I am already in touch with the UK Sunday Times - I contribute to them - and can make time to help with this, I don't have the tech expertise you all have, but can tell the story for the general public.<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">all best<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Christine<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 5 January 2017 at 09:56, David Golumbia <<a href="mailto:dgolumbia@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dgolumbia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">"This is a historic victory for truth," declared Dr. Ayyadurai. "Americans have no tolerance for fake news, lies<o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">i mean, it's by far not the most offensive part of this story, but this statement leapt out at me--you coulda fooled me, and PT Barnum, and every "reality show" producer, and Facebook, and, and...<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class=""><br class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class="hoenzb"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);" class="">David Golumbia<br class=""><a href="mailto:dgolumbia@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dgolumbia@gmail.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">This email is relayed from members at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://sigcis.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. 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