<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">click on the gmail added messages to get the last part of my prior message.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Murray Turoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:murray.turoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">murray.turoff@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Liza I appreciate
your comments but i would like to add what i think is an important observation.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I got my PhD in
physics in 1965 but i was fortunate in my last two years of my bachelors summer
I spent</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>in a naval lab that
had a vacuum tube burrows computer that filled a gym and you could walk through
the middle of it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I than got an IBM
fellowship from my graduate physics department in mass where i was told to go
to MIT and learn how</span></p><span class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>to program on their "large"
IBM machine so i could do any programming for any of the physics professors
that needed it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>One things that was
definitely exciting about that was a lot of computer people came from many
different fields and it was</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>highly
interdisciplinary around 1960 through about the early 1970's. But it was
the mathematicians and the management scientists </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>that were taking over
the field with some engineers. there was very little social science
presence and that is a long story. <span> </span>The
social scientists</span></p>
</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span>did not come back
till Ben Schniderman's book (software psychology) in 1981 and after they also
got into using personal computers.</span></p><span class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The big problem was
the attitude of computer scientists was that they could replace people with
programs and every problem had a logical solution. <span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Experience did not
count in making decisions and that upper management could run their company
from their office. <span> </span>This was the standard
MIT</span></p>
</span><p class="MsoNormal"><span>evening program for
managers in the late sixties. <span> </span>While
finishing my phd in the last three years I was a part time systems engineer in
the Boston branch </span></p><span class="">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>office of IBM
advising. <span> </span>This leads to many interesting
stories in those early dates. The IBMer was some sort of priest with a
new truth or religion!! I was almost fired by showing in one company that
the problem was due to a lack of human communication between different units of
the company instead of designing a massive linear program for them to
implement. We are dealing with the history of computer science we should take
up the many problems and mistakes that were also made in its history. <span> </span>Abby Mowshowitz wrote some good stuff on what
could go wrong or right in those early days. </span></p>
<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman","serif""></span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><span class=""><br>-- <br><div class="m_8899562665150791467gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><b>please send messages to <a href="mailto:murray.turoff@gmail.com" target="_blank">murray.turoff@gmail.com</a> do not use @<a href="http://njit.edu" target="_blank">njit.edu</a> address<br><br>Distinguished Professor Emeritus<br>Information Systems, NJIT<br>homepage: <a href="http://is.njit.edu/turoff" target="_blank">http://is.njit.edu/turoff</a><br></b><br></div>
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