<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Dag (and all)-</div><div><br></div><div>I remember listening to this episode back when it came out, and I certainly enjoyed it. A lot of times though, I think that this history (at least as presented in popular media) is informed or framed by a kind of technological boosterism that is often quite unhelpful, and even implicitly based on discriminatory practices. </div><div><br></div><div>As a counterpoint, I would like to offer this article I just read today about efforts to get more women and minorities into computing, and some of the problems with that as a goal in and of itself:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-pie-is-rotten-re-evaluating-tech-feminism-in-2016">https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-pie-is-rotten-re-evaluating-tech-feminism-in-2016</a></div><div><br></div><div>I think this is a very interesting debate for historians because it gets to the heart of what kinds of things really "fix" structural discrimination. It also asks us to extend our gaze down the economic chain/tech production chain and into global contexts. I'm reminded of Nathan Ensmenger's keynote from this year's SIGCIS.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for bringing up the topic!</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Marie<br><br><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">______________________<br>Marie Hicks, Ph.D.<br>Asst. Professor, History of Technology<br>Illinois Institute of Technology<br>Chicago, IL USA<br><a href="http://mariehicks.net/" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="1">mariehicks.net</a> | <a href="mailto:mhicks1@iit.edu" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="2">mhicks1@iit.edu</a> | @histoftech</span></div><div><br>On Dec 14, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Dag Spicer <<a href="mailto:dspicer@computerhistory.org">dspicer@computerhistory.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span>Interesting piece… would be interesting in people’s thoughts…</span><br><span></span><br><span><a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/17/356944145/episode-576-when-women-stopped-coding">http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/17/356944145/episode-576-when-women-stopped-coding</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Dag </span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>This email is relayed from members at <a href="http://sigcis.org">sigcis.org</a>, the email discussion list of SHOT SIGCIS. Opinions expressed here are those of the member posting and are not reviewed, edited, or endorsed by SIGCIS. The list archives are at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/">http://lists.sigcis.org/pipermail/members-sigcis.org/</a> and you can change your subscription options at <a href="http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org">http://lists.sigcis.org/listinfo.cgi/members-sigcis.org</a></span></div></body></html>