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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>More useful advice below. Not sure if this went through – Jim was having problems before and I don’t see it in the list archives. Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> James Cortada [mailto:jwcorta@us.ibm.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 28, 2011 5:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Thomas Haigh<br><b>Cc:</b> members@sigcis.org; members-bounces@sigcis.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [SIGCIS-Members] a few comments regarding copyright<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Tom is absolutely correct. Publishers do not have uniform practices regarding permissions. It has been my experience that from when you have to get a group of these until your publisher is happy with the results can routinely run you 2-6 months. Some of the fancy academic book presses won't even start production until all these permissions are inhouse in writing and in your folder with the manuscript, illustrations, art work etc. Some tricks I have used to simplify the process<span style='color:#1F497D'>.<br></span><br>1. I keep a spreadsheet in which I enter the name of the illustration, where in my book it is to go (e.g., chapter 3, centerfold), who probably owns the rights, and leave a couple of columns for logging when I asked for permission, when I got it, and a comments section. When you submit your book to production, send the spreadsheet along as they can use it as a tracking vehicle and to know the history by illustration one after the other.<br><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>2. Whenever possible, request permissions via e-mail as it is faster than letter writing. Expect every place you ask to send you a word or PDF document for you to fill out that is different than everyone else's--scan and faxing back is acceptable across North America and northern Europe, less so around the Mediterranean where they sometimes still require paper. Este es la vida.<br><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>3. Always ask for "unrestricted world rights" but keep it to one language because if you ask for all languages people start going crazy on you and cause delays. Unrestricted means that the owner of the image can use the image too even though you are publishing it. Codicil: ask your publisher what kind of permission they want as that varies too from one publisher to another and from one country to another.<br><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>4. Even though journals are a bit looser in their requirements, you will be surprised at how much of a problem this can be so assume the same problem exists.<br><span style='color:#1F497D'><br></span>5. Be very very nice to every archivist and librarian you ever meet because they can make steps 1 through 4 easy. I treat CBI's staff as some of the most important people in my life--ditto with the the IBM Archives' team--because they are, and not just because they really are nice people. Do the same!<br><br>Hope this helps!<br><br>PS Tom I never know if the siglist gets to everyone so if you don't think so, please send it along to our colleagues.<br><br><br>Dr. Jim (James) W. Cortada<br>IBM Institute for Business Value <br>2917 Irvington Way<br>Madison, WI 53713 USA<br>jwcorta@us.ibm.com<br>608-270-4462<br><br><img width=16 height=16 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:1__=09BBF2D6DF12D2A88f9e8a93df938@us.ibm.com" alt="Inactive hide details for "Thomas Haigh" ---02/28/2011 04:15:38 PM---On a pragmatic level there is another consideration. Due t"><span style='color:#424282'>"Thomas Haigh" ---02/28/2011 04:15:38 PM---On a pragmatic level there is another consideration. Due to 1970s copyright changes and subsequent r</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%'><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>From:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image002.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>"Thomas Haigh" <thaigh@computer.org></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>To:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1029" src="cid:image002.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><members@sigcis.org></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image001.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Date:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1031" src="cid:image002.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>02/28/11 04:15 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1032" src="cid:image001.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Subject:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1033" src="cid:image002.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Re: [SIGCIS-Members] a few comments regarding copyright</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="1%" valign=top style='width:1.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=1 id="_x0000_i1034" src="cid:image001.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by:</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><img width=1 height=1 id="_x0000_i1035" src="cid:image002.png@01CBD79E.805882C0"><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>members-bounces@sigcis.org</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div class=MsoNormal><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:#8091A5' align=left></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On a pragmatic level there is another consideration. Due to 1970s copyright</span></tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br><tt>changes and subsequent retroactive extensions those of us working on the</tt><br><tt>mid-20th century would often like to reproduce images such as</tt><br><tt>advertisements. Most advertisements were not copyrighted when they first</tt><br><tt>appeared, but received protection in the 1970s when fundamental changes were</tt><br><tt>made to the system.</tt><br><br><tt>In this case ownership lies with the company that placed the advertisement,</tt><br><tt>not with the publication where it was placed. In many cases it is impossible</tt><br><tt>to track down eventual owner of the intellectual property assets of a</tt><br><tt>long-defunct business. Furthermore it's not uncommon for the current owner</tt><br><tt>never to have heard of the company in question (a failed company is acquired</tt><br><tt>by another company, which then fails and is acquired, by a firm that merges,</tt><br><tt>etc.)</tt><br><br><tt>Most publishers will accept evidence of a good faith effort to try to track</tt><br><tt>down the copyright holder and receive permission to use the image in lieu of</tt><br><tt>a signed permission form. Some will not, meaning that there is no way to use</tt><br><tt>the image in question.</tt><br><br><tt>The moral: start a long time ahead with the image permissions and find out</tt><br><tt>in advance what the policy of your publisher is. No company is ever actually</tt><br><tt>going to sue you for reproducing an image of a 1920s bookkeeping machine or</tt><br><tt>a 1970s video terminal in a scholarly publication, so what matters is not</tt><br><tt>the actual law but the opinion of the law held by your publisher's legal</tt><br><tt>department. (As long as you're not calling them Nazi collaborators, I</tt><br><tt>suppose, in which case probably best to have all the permissions signed</tt><br><tt>first).</tt><br><br><tt>Tom</tt><br><br><tt>-----Original Message-----</tt><br><tt>From: members-bounces@sigcis.org [<a href="mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org">mailto:members-bounces@sigcis.org</a>] On</tt><br><tt>Behalf Of James Sumner</tt><br><tt>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:44 PM</tt><br><tt>To: members@sigcis.org</tt><br><tt>Subject: Re: [SIGCIS-Members] a few comments regarding copyright</tt><br><br><tt>Thanks for sharing these with the list, Bernard.</tt><br><br><tt>It's worth emphasising that the "fair use" concept, as focused on by the </tt><br><tt>three sources linked below, is very specific to the United States. </tt><br><tt>Britain, Canada and other Commonwealth countries have various different </tt><br><tt>sets of provisions known as "fair dealing", which tend to be similar to </tt><br><tt>US "fair use" but not as lenient.</tt><br><br><tt>Best</tt><br><tt>James</tt><br><br><tt>On 28/02/2011 18:38, Bernard Dionysius Geoghegan wrote:</tt><br><tt>> Hi Members,</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> This is just a brief followup on my research into images & copyright,</tt><br><tt>> etc. The short answer is that it's very complicated and hard to find a</tt><br><tt>> definitive guide. For images it is especially complicated. In general,</tt><br><tt>> academic publishing seems to have a lot of leeway, but there's more grey</tt><br><tt>> area than black/white. In the end, my publisher provided the most</tt><br><tt>> concrete guidance.</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> However, Ben Peters referred me to the guides produced by the Society</tt><br><tt>> for Cinema and Media Studies. This has some info:</tt><br><tt>> www.cmstudies.org/resource/resmgr/docs/</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt><<a href="http://www.cmstudies.org/resource/resmgr/docs/">http://www.cmstudies.org/resource/resmgr/docs/</a>>*scms*bestpractices4*fairuse</tt><br><tt>*inp.pdf</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> MIT Libraries also had some info:</tt><br><tt>> In general:</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt><a href="http://info-libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/copyright-information-for">http://info-libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/copyright-information-for</a></tt><br><tt>-mit-faculty/</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> For theses:</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt><a href="http://info-libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/copyright-publishing-guid">http://info-libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/publishing/copyright-publishing-guid</a></tt><br><tt>e-for-students/reuse-of-figures-images-and-other-content-in-theses/</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Debbie Douglas of the MIT museum had this especially robust and helpful</tt><br><tt>> account, which in many ways was more concrete than what I found even on</tt><br><tt>> the "expert" websites:</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> There is no single guide because "property rights" are very complicated</tt><br><tt>> to untangle.</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> 1. There is the permission of the owner of the physical artifact that</tt><br><tt>> allows you to examine the "thing", and to make a picture of that "thing."</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Imagine you had donated your bicycle to a museum. As the owner of the</tt><br><tt>> bike, you can control who looks at it, touches it, takes pictures of it.</tt><br><tt>> BUT you do not own the patents, trademarks, copyrights associated with</tt><br><tt>> that bike. You could not grant the right to make a copy of the bicycle.</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> 2. The second permission is from the maker/creator of the "thing." Or</tt><br><tt>> rather, the owner of the "intellectual" property rights. In this day,</tt><br><tt>> this can very complicated because sometimes the maker licenses other</tt><br><tt>> entities to make objects. The best guide to this is the Library of</tt><br><tt>> Congress' website which explains all things copyright (in the US) and</tt><br><tt>> the US Patent and Trademark Office which deals with patents and</tt><br><tt>trademarks.</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Hope this helps someone out there.</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Best,</tt><br><tt>> Bernard</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Bernard Dionysius Geoghegan</tt><br><tt>> bernard@u.northwestern.edu <<a href="mailto:bernard@u.northwestern.edu">mailto:bernard@u.northwestern.edu</a>></tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> Graduate Fellow, Mediale Historiographien, Bauhaus-Universität Weimar</tt><br><tt>> Doctoral Candidate, Screen Cultures, Northwestern University</tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>></tt><br><tt>> _______________________________________________</tt><br><tt>> This email is relayed from members@sigcis.org, the email discussion list</tt><br><tt>of SHOT SIGCIS. 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